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Offline Whisky58

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« Reply #15 on: August 29, 2005, 05:54:00 AM »
I've just joined AH after years on WB. When I first joined WB people were complaining "its not like the old days".  When I left fairly recently some of the guys who joined when I did were making the same comments.  It's the "parent/grandparent syndrome" - nothing is as good now as it was in the old days.  Summers were longer & we were happier when we were kids - right?  

Well I'd like to say, as a relative new-comer, I've met some first class blokes.  200 is full of decerebrate prattling - ignore it.  Ignore the jerks who shout coward when you extend, return & shoot them down, the professional vulchers etc.  They're in WarBirds & Fighter Ace and every type of on-line game.  Focus on the 90% who play the game to enjoy, receive & return favours & don't see it as a medium in which to inflate their egos.

Anti-rant over :)
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« Reply #16 on: August 29, 2005, 06:10:47 AM »
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If you're giving up after 3 months because you're tired of dying you've not given it enough time.

AH has a very steep learning curve, no way to get away from that.
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« Reply #17 on: August 29, 2005, 06:23:07 AM »
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Member now for 3 mos.  Had Enough.  Tired of dyeing.
Don't plan on renewing, but who knows.


Weasel, 3 months ain't long enough to figure out the help manual ! LOL!!! but hey its your choice. Spent a couple years in AW before I felt confident enough to think I could win a fight I got into. Same goes for AH. There is a big learning curve, but once it starts to come around, you won't be someones else's fodder as much. Sure, as long as you fly in the MA you'll get shot down, but inbetween those flights you'll run into that fight "Easyscor" had. I live for those!

I tolarate the rest waiting for those fights, to me they make it all worth the time!

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« Reply #18 on: August 29, 2005, 06:54:05 AM »
Yep,
 Ever since AH1 was replaced with AH2......Lot's of times. The people I fly the game with,  is what brings me back .
 
  Skill & scores has nothing to do with it , for me its furballin' down & dirty, runnin' a spit 5, wideassed open in the weeds & trees.........

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« Reply #19 on: August 29, 2005, 07:04:05 AM »
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I know a few of you guys have been here - but have you come back.

The game is no longer the one you used to play, now full of kids fighting on 200 rather than in the sky.  The air full of cowards hoarding away boasting their apptitude and insulting anyone who dares give them a fight.

Is there a way back or have I lost this wonderfull game forever?
I guess I mean, have you had that moment sat infront of your PC and said to yourself, "Mate .... wtf are you doing!"


(Long time player, 1st time whiner)


I have never and probably will never tune 200. Just what I see in other people's screenshots is enough to put me off.

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« Reply #20 on: August 29, 2005, 07:21:17 AM »
I thought I would put my 2 cents in.  First off, burn out happens to all of us, its just up to you to figure out how you want to deal with it.  My suggestion is to take some time off.  Next, keep 200 off.  I rarelly turn on 200, but when I do, it only stays for about 10 minutes before all of the BS gets on my nerves.  I usually fly with my squadies which makes it alot better.  On the occasion I fly solo, its usually a quick flight, and just not as much fun.  So overall,  take a break, relax, and come back ready to get back in the saddle.  :aok
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« Reply #21 on: August 29, 2005, 09:14:41 AM »
Everyone needs time off from time to time, usually just sitting out a tour will get the desire burning once more. By limiting my online time to 30 hours per month or so I have avoided the burnout more effectively. What drives me nuts anymore is the MA style of gameplay, hordes and 20K milkrunners, logging on to find all FHs for a few sectors down, chasing bar-dars and dots trying to find a fight, guys who run beyond icon range and call it extending, folks who take the game far too seriously etc.

Trash talking never really bothered me  much I can usually ignore them with an old-fashioned "rolleye", but I think the general age of the MA participant is about half of what it was when these games were paid for my the hour. Don't get me wrong, I hope I never give Dale/Doug another $200 monthly payment though...LOL!

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« Reply #22 on: August 29, 2005, 09:35:22 AM »
burnout is probably what prompted my change 2 months ago.

after 3 years as "JB73" i needed a change, and i found exactly what i needed. i changed my name, my attitude, my playing style, everything.

i no longer care in the least about what base is being "taken" or "lost" as it is a zero sum game. it all works out in the end. i look for furballs, and for comments about big fights. (the BK's are very helpful in finding these ;) )

i routinly find the biggest red dar bar, and fly into it at medium to low alt, just to see how many i can take with me before i die :aok

maybe i will get burnt out on this also, but it was a needed change. i enjoy playing again, and have yet to log off in anger. in face i can't remember the last time i got "angry" flying. if i get HO'd by a dweeb la7, i deserved it because i didn't evade it good enough. heck i augered 2 times last night alone by accidently hitting auto pilot :rofl (and thats what i did in real life. laughed)

maybe you need a shake up like that.
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« Reply #23 on: August 29, 2005, 10:09:32 AM »
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i look for furballs, and for comments about big fights. (the BK's are very helpful in finding these ;) )

 


That's the truth, I always watch where BKs are fighting, I love to film certain BK's. While they may be great at 'finding' big fights, if there's more than 5 of them online they are also great at ending them. It seems after the enemy gets shot down by Levi and the gang a few times, they quickly lose interest in whatever base they were defending/attacking. Strange phenomena, you'd think people would want to accept a perpetual fight with the best, nope they want to run and hide from it and go milkrun/vulch somewhere else with less resistance.

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« Reply #24 on: August 29, 2005, 10:31:37 AM »
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Strange phenomena, you'd think people would want to accept a perpetual fight with the best, nope they want to run and hide from it and go milkrun/vulch somewhere else with less resistance.

Zazen


LoL Zazen, ain't that the truth. I still remember the other day me, you, Jaxxo and a few others destroying wave after wave of hordlings trying to take a base. I think we finally frustrated them enough that they had to level the whole feild with the big guns from the CV to keep us down and take the base. It's sad in a way and yet kinda a compliment:D

Oh and Darkish, take some time off, you'll feel better!
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« Reply #25 on: August 29, 2005, 10:32:06 AM »
About the burn out thing. Obviously, if you do any one thing long enough you are going to get bored and disenchanted. What makes AH great is the fact that there are so many things to do and ways to appoach the game. I avoid burnout, specifically that associated with gameplay issues, by adapting. That is to say, when a particular behavior by the majority leaves you wondering if you should play anymore instead of quitting, adapt a strategy to counter the abhorent behavior.

This is the whole reason I made it my personal mission to become as proficient as possible with the Ostwind. I grew disgusted at the prevalence of the gang-horde and vulch routine. In an aircraft flying into 30 planes I had the ability to take out 3-5  in 15-30 minutes and survive if I was very carefull, but in an Ostwind I could take out 5-15 in a couple of minutes. Then not only that, I made what I had learned from diligent practice and experience public, so everyone in the MA could potentially, somewhat replicate my performance in the Ostwind. The end result is, while not ending gang-horde vulching by any means, it has sure made it a less appealing prospect overall. People fear Ostwinds now and will refrain from establishing 'tight' CAP over an enemy field to stay out of the range of defending Ostwinds,  allowing defending planes to instead get airborne, therefore increasing the net amount of actual quality fighting that occurs in the MA.

The point is, rather than let a particular trait of the current MA population drive you from the game, adapt to it. Find its weakness and exploit it. Make whatever behavior you don't care for as painfull as possible for them. That unto itself, knowing you are in your small part of the MA transforming the game to how you think it should be, breathes new life into it.

We are all empowered. Everytime you take-off in a plane or vehicle you help to determine everyone's experience in the game. Depending on how much effort you put into it and your raw skill & talent the  impact you have can be very great. Don't just fly around and complain how everyone else is flying while all the while playing into 'their' game, that actually makes you become part of the problem. Be pro-active force them to play 'your' game, that will make you part of the solution. If enough people with a healthy vision of what AH should be did that, guess what, it will become that. AH is a very open-ended game so we are really the masters of our own virtually simulated destiny.

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« Reply #26 on: August 29, 2005, 10:57:00 AM »
it was better in the day AH cost $30 a month

imagine what it will be like when it is $10 a month?

I am for half the subs paying twice as much
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« Reply #27 on: August 29, 2005, 11:18:17 AM »
The big maps kill the gameplay.

End of story.

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« Reply #28 on: August 29, 2005, 12:42:01 PM »
Anybody who is looking for anything that resembles what online flight combat sims used to be as far as community goes, is going to be seriously dissapointed.  Its not here in the same form it was before.  We had much smaller arenas back then, and smaller groups to deal with.  Policing ourselves was easier.  That community is still here, but you wont find it much in the MA.  Scenarios?  You betcha.  Every time I fly one its like stepping back in time.  I'm hoping TOD will be fun and then the MA will be something I rarely see.  

Like the others said, find what you consider fun and fly your way.  Ignore the children and the chest beaters.  Playing the game their way is a good way to break joysticks and other important parts of your computer when you start smashing things.  :)

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« Reply #29 on: August 29, 2005, 01:06:19 PM »
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The big maps kill the gameplay.

End of story.


THe HUGE maps were designed for average MA populations twice what we actually have, that is the problem. HTC was anticipating a larger and more rapid return on the investment from redoing the graphics engine and its advertising campaign associated with AH2. So, the newest maps were all made to the 512X512 dimension specifications. They were designed to accomodate anticipated growth that has yet to materialize.

Unfortunately, largely due to the prodigious system requirements of AH2 there's actually fewer active players now than we had in AH1. This is why ToD got side-tracked to impliment the clean-up of the way graphics are handled. Hopefully once AH2 can play well with at least some of the eye candy on with the average person's computer we'll see an influx of more players. Until that time however, we're left with HUGE maps that are half full, where fields outnumber players 20 of 24 hrs a day to the obvious detriment of gameplay. In my opinion, creating all of these HUGE maps was a bit of a case of putting the cart before the horse, and actually exacerbated the system requirement situation as framerates are half on a huge map as they are on a small one on average. Ironically then, if there were only the smaller maps after AH2 implimentation, the return on investment from the advertising and development of AH2 would have been much greater and more immediate, the HUGE maps would probably been needed at this point to support the growth.

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