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« Reply #75 on: August 31, 2005, 08:53:53 AM »
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« Reply #76 on: August 31, 2005, 09:30:05 AM »
Hey if even the cops are doing it...

why not?

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« Reply #77 on: August 31, 2005, 09:57:29 AM »

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« Reply #78 on: August 31, 2005, 10:00:49 AM »
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Caption this photo:
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« Reply #79 on: August 31, 2005, 10:29:20 AM »
Big rubber bullets.
Taze the others.
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« Reply #80 on: August 31, 2005, 10:41:01 AM »
Many have equated looting with theft, this is an imprecise analogy. Looting is more akin to rioting and loss of civil control.

One must understand the difference between scavenging during a crisis and looting. Generally, if starving and thirsty, one can be forgiven for scavenging food and necessities.

However, looting shoes, teevees, dvds, and perty clothes, completly different issue. Looting imperils lives, and loosens the social fabric. And finallly, looting has a severely negitive impact on already impoverished areas.

First, those who do it with impunity once, or talk about it afterward, embolden the next generation of looters. Who will, instead of evacuate, stay around for the lawlessness that pervades after a diasater like this one. This not only puts the waiting looters in danger, but also endangers, unecessarily those charged with finding and saving them. Moreover, as we see here, the sight of the looters  pressures police and gaurd forces to stop it, which takes vital resources from search and rescue. It also means that store owners may be more likely to take a go-down-with-the-ship mentality and not evacuate themselves to at least gaurd their inventories (see above issue with staying behind)--good example Korean grocers during the King riots.

Second, looting loosens the social fabric. My guess is that the Nola looting will be painted, very quickly, as a poor v. rich, black v. white, phenomenon. This simply will engender more animosity between race and class, in an area already rich with such animosities. One good example is the Korean grocers in LA during the King riots. The rich will distrust the poor even more, and the whites will distrust the blacks even more. This is not only a symptom of the problem, but the cause--a vicious cycle. Moreover, letting looters do their deeds with impunity reinforces the mee first attitude that pervades this country. When the looters get "home" with their take, how many do you think chastize them for their callousness? Few I suspect. Instead they count their Nikes and teevees. Ironic given that they will probably lose that stuff in the ensuing floods that are bound to get worse as valuable resources are diverted to stem thier behavior.

Lastly, looting simply exacerbates the cycle of poverty even further. If your business was looted, and destroyed, would you: a) build in the same place again; b) move away; or c) build in the same place again and try to recoup losses by charging outrageously high price? I suspect answers a and c are appealing to the shop owners. Moreover, the warehouses in that area are likely to move as well--removing much needed jobs from the area. We will also see an increase in insurance premiums in those areas to react to looting--raising the cost of business and prices. Ever been to south-central LA?

The answer? Well several historic examples point to shooting looters on sight. See Allied Military Government of Occupied Territories (AMGOT) during WWII. However, the public will probably not palate shooting looters, with the response: "are shoes worth lives?" Couched in those terms shooting becomes distasteful. However, is shooting worth saving our social fabric, freeing up necessary resources to save  other lives, and giving a disincentive for future looters, ensuring the fabric of society and possibly ending a cycle of poverty? Maybe. I realise the shooting may have the oppiste effect--and further engender animosity amongst the races and classes. Perhaps the answer is non-lethal area effect weapons. I distrust normal police tactics for looters in general. Thoughts?

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« Reply #81 on: August 31, 2005, 10:43:51 AM »
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I would shoot to stop. center of mass until stopped.

That is exactly what they taught us in the concealed carry renewal class I was in last weekend, do not shoot to kill, do not shoot to wound, do not shoot to deterr..."SHOOT TO STOP".

Plus the addition of the "I continued firing until the fear for my life passed" part.

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« Reply #82 on: August 31, 2005, 10:53:45 AM »
I say shoot em. If they happen to be looting my house please shoot them twice.

If I have anything left thats not underwater, I'd at least like it to still be there when I get back. :aok
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« Reply #83 on: August 31, 2005, 11:25:12 AM »
I guess my point is that I don't trust cops or military with firearms any more (or less) than ordinary citizens with firearms... they often have even less training and arguably, often, less moral and common sense.

I do not want armed groups of vigilantes roaming the streets either.

I say that you have the right to defend yourself if attacked tho and you have the right to arrest or detain someone commiting a crime.

If the only people armed are the police then you have a police state.

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« Reply #84 on: August 31, 2005, 11:35:05 AM »
Some of you folks actually disgust me with your posts.

This is a very graphic example of the apocolypse situation that was on the board just a few weeks ago. You are actually seeing in the safety of your homes sitting in your easy chair the destruction of peoples lives much less the loss of property. Then you blithely toss jibes back and forth about how terrible it all is and how it should be handled. You really need an education in reality and can't recognise it when it's broadcast on your own tv screens.


I sincerely hope the thread gets locked soon. It's nothing but a giant troll and serves no purpose other than to spread your own brand of tripe.
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« Reply #85 on: August 31, 2005, 11:44:51 AM »
just curious mav...

is there something I said that you disagree with?

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« Reply #86 on: August 31, 2005, 11:47:23 AM »
Shoes? TVs? Jewelry?
  For those who use the argument...."You would shoot someone for stealing ?"
  If someone enters my home to rob me of my shoes/TV/jewelry and I`ll add cash...........BANG!
  If someone enters my business to rob me of my shoes/TV/jewelry and I`ll once again add cash............BANG.
  That is under completely normal circumstances. Are you saying that you would just let em walk in a disaster where martial law has been declared?
  There is no time, resources or manpower that should be devoted and waisted on the lowest of the low in this case for the "slap on the wrist". They know what they are doing and fully understand that they are taking advantage of the circumstances involved and that people are dieing, waiting to be rescued while they are looting and tieing up resources.
  Cap a few and it will get the point across real quick. Then the manpower can be used to save lives worth saving.
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« Reply #87 on: August 31, 2005, 11:47:39 AM »
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Originally posted by Maverick
You are actually seeing in the safety of your homes sitting in your easy chair... blithely toss jibes back and forth


What else is this forum for? Should we ignore the aftermath of Katrina becuase we are not there?

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« Reply #88 on: August 31, 2005, 12:02:00 PM »
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Originally posted by Maverick
Some of you folks actually disgust me with your posts.

This is a very graphic example of the apocolypse situation that was on the board just a few weeks ago. You are actually seeing in the safety of your homes sitting in your easy chair the destruction of peoples lives much less the loss of property. Then you blithely toss jibes back and forth about how terrible it all is and how it should be handled. You really need an education in reality and can't recognise it when it's broadcast on your own tv screens.


I sincerely hope the thread gets locked soon. It's nothing but a giant troll and serves no purpose other than to spread your own brand of tripe.


Maverick, I believe these people sitting back in their easy chairs ARE in fact in reality, so much so, that they post their phylosophies (sp) on what to do, all knowing this could easily have been them. Mass looting after a catasrophy is always present. Any one of us could be in the same shoes these poor soles in AL,Miss,LA are in. What to do? I don't have the answers.

It is very discusting seeing the looting, survival is one thing, stealing is another and Looting falls into a whole different catagory.  My prayers go out to the victims of this catastrophy,
what to do to the looters, well I'll keep that opinion to myself.

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« Reply #89 on: August 31, 2005, 12:24:17 PM »
Grab the definate looters. Ones not getting simple survival materials, but necklaces, tv's, etc..

Chain-gang them and have them start filling & stacking sandbags.

2 birds, 1 stone.