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« Reply #90 on: August 31, 2005, 08:52:16 PM »
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That chart fails to mention the increase in the amount of vehicles on the road as well as demand.   Use some common sense.

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« Reply #91 on: August 31, 2005, 09:27:36 PM »
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That chart fails to mention the increase in the amount of vehicles on the road as well as demand.   Use some common sense.


Here, maybe you'll be able to actually understand this one, its more to your ....level...of understanding.

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« Reply #92 on: August 31, 2005, 09:28:36 PM »
WTF? :D

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« Reply #93 on: August 31, 2005, 10:10:57 PM »
So obviously the lack of pirates is what is causing global warming.  Time to break out the eye patch and parrot......I'm going pirating.  Arrrrrr!!!

Gas prices in Conroe (north Houston) jumped to $3.30 today.  Glad I filled up last night at 2.59.  :)

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« Reply #94 on: September 01, 2005, 03:27:49 AM »
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Sure you don`t beetle. Watching that grass grow is all you need.
  I can turn more miles in my home state than you do in your entire country. I can also see about anything in this state that you have seen in your entire travels. That eats ya up don`t it? :)
  That`s just ONE state.  
What, TX? :lol I've been there twice - in 1978 and in 2001.
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Saw a little bit of everything, but didn`t even scratch the surface country wise. You would have to set up a test track and run laps to do that and then you would not see anyything worth the effort.
LOL - on the one hand, you brag about doing 4000 miles in your home state, and on the other you claim that "we have everything we need right here" in reference to your back yard. Which is it??!

I LOVE the way you turn things upside down, eg. defining someone who is well travelled as being bored with their own environs, and then crowing about how little you travel because "we have everything we need right here". So why the need to travel 4000 miles to seek fulfillment, huh? Guess you were wearing a different hat that day. :D I wonder how it was in the Columbus household in 1492- Hey, Christopher, why do you have to go discovering America? Sit down and eat your spaghetti - we have everything we need right here! :lol


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Was wondering. Are gasoline prices going up in Europe?
Yes, but perhaps more slowly than in the USA. Europe has always recognised that oil is a precious, finite resource. (Other countries are just waking up to this) For this reason, European countries have long had relatively high taxation on oil, and 10mpg gas guzzlers have never gained a foothold here. MOST EU countries (the UK is not one of them) encourage diesel use by having lower duty on diesel, which is why 60% of all cars are diesel powered in some countries. And those cars can achieve 50 miles on a US gallon. The annual taxation on cars in Europe favours cars which consume the least fuel. The end result of all these factors is that demand for fuel is lower that it otherwise would be, and therefore the price is not being forced up as much.

The other thing to consider is that because most of the price is tax, when the oil price goes up, it has less of an impact on the pump price - unless of course the tax is linked to the base cost of oil. Here, there's a combination of flat rate and variable tax. Fuel duty is about 48p/litre - that's about 87 cents. But then there's VAT (like sales tax) at 17½% on top of the total.

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« Reply #95 on: September 01, 2005, 04:28:58 AM »
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Was wondering.  Are gasoline prices going up in Europe?


yes but a lot slower - gone up about 20% in the UK - not as noticeable to me personally as I live in a large city and use public transport mostly - when I do use a vehicle it's diesel and only fill up every 3 months or so.

Indirect increases - air fares, transportation for freight etc have had a big jump.

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« Reply #96 on: September 01, 2005, 05:49:22 AM »
Same here, about 20% increase in fuel price.
I fill up once per month so I really doesn't care that much :)

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« Reply #97 on: September 01, 2005, 05:52:37 AM »
Two years ago, I could get diesel for 75p/litre. Now it's about 95p/litre. That's an increase of about 27% in 2 years.

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« Reply #98 on: September 01, 2005, 06:22:04 AM »
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Was wondering.  Are gasoline prices going up in Europe?


Made a jump today.. 1,86 USD for a liter or just over 7 USD per gallon if my math is not way off.

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« Reply #99 on: September 01, 2005, 07:31:43 AM »
Thanks guys.  Prices were climbing rapidly before the hurricane so I was curious if this was a "local" supply & demand problem or a global issue.

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« Reply #100 on: September 01, 2005, 09:00:47 AM »
Really surprising to see the amount of cars per capita is so low in the US. Anyone have graph on how many cars per average does a carowner own in US compared to euro area for example?

I had the impression that in US it's far more common to own 2 or 3 cars. If that's so it also means that the wealth is way more concentrated in the US -> you have way more poor people who do not own a car at all.

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« Reply #101 on: September 01, 2005, 09:05:24 AM »
I think it means that those girly men metrosexuals who live in cities don't have cars.  Cars and guns frieghten them.

I have 3 cars and a bike... I am a one person household.   The only people I know who don't have cars are the ones who have lost their licence.... quite a few actually.

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« Reply #102 on: September 01, 2005, 09:05:32 AM »
Then you have those that live in the city centers that dont need a car or perhaps no place to park it. Im sure its easyer to use public transportation some places than to own a car.

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« Reply #103 on: September 01, 2005, 09:13:27 AM »
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...thereby increasing the demand for road fuel and driving up the price.

There. We got there in the end. Wolfala's original question finally has an answer. :aok  


You are forgetting the other half of the equation in that quote, and your earlier statement about percentage of world population versus percentage of vehicle ownership omits an important factor as well. I guess you were "just trying to prove a point", as you said in this thread too. No reason to look at all the facts when you are trying to justify your position.

Supply is tied to demand and price fluctuation. The US could use twice as much oil as it currently does at lower costs if the supply was increased to compensate it. Supply includes harvesting, transporting, converting the commodity to usable and legal requirements(refineries), transportation to market and retailing to the public. Just about every aspect of the supply chain is restrained from it's potential for the US by overly protective and inhibitive legislature. Amending those laws so that they are less restrictive, while still protecting our environment, will allow us to increase our supply and offset, if not overtake, our demand. Try looking up the number of refineries currently operating in the US vs how many there were in 1983. Just an arbitrary year.

Someone already mentioned the absence of percentage of worlds wealth in those figures you posted. No need to say it again.

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« Reply #104 on: September 01, 2005, 09:15:09 AM »
The way i see it is it's suicide by our government to allow it to stay above $3 a gallon. At this point with prices so crazy it drives up the cost of everything else, too, because the price of transporting it gets passed on to the consumer.

Here on Cape Cod where everyone survives on the 3-4 months of summer tourism (myself included), it's already hurting our business. Last year it was almost a buck cheaper avg. per gallon and our resort occupency was about 10% higher on average.. I can only assume the downward trend will continue if something isnt done. I certainly dont want to drive anywhere with it this bad.. I can't afford it.
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