B-29 Super Fortress

[oakranger]

I cannot see any particular gameplay reasons why the B-29 ought not to be added, under certain conditions.  As has been suggested, it should be perked, and I really like the idea that it should only take off from the untakable bases surrounding an HQ.  Bombload is fine, etc.  If someone wants to up a set of B-29s, risking 400-600 perkies, and fly a couple hundred miles to bomb some base, taking a good hour or two for the sortie, then more power to them.  There's no really good gameplay reason why they ought not to be able to do so.

But the nuke is out.  Sure, would be cool, give it a perk price of 3000 bomber perks so it doesn't get used that often, but it will almost certainly never happen, and is really a different topic altogether.  The B-29 was used to drop nukes in WWII two times, but it was used in thousands of sorties to bomb cities and strats and whatnot.

And the God/Kitten joke was funny the first time.  That ship has long since sailed.  So give it up, please, for all our sakes.

The B-29, without nuke, is a perfectly reasonable request to make for the game, and I cannot see any reasonable gameplay reason it ought not to be there, with suitable perk price and perhaps base restrictions.

Yea, i think some of the ppl who don't want if, fear it.  It dose need to be in the game.  Perk it, no nukes, but having it at bases that are close to HQ i daring to say that is not a good ideal.  I would suggested to having it closer to the front line, at specially may bases with a long enough runway fro them to take off.

[sethipus]

Some of the funnest sorties I have flown in the MAs are when someone organizes a mass bombing raid, and you see this huge darbar forming up two sectors behind the front or whatever, and there's simply no question about what that must be - a buff raid.

So, the word gets out, people start upping Ponies and 262s and whatnot and heading toward intercepting it.  Then you show up and it's B-17s at like 23k with Pony escorts, and it's this long, running fight across many sectors as they get to some strat, blow it up, turn around, and fight their way back home.

It's fun for the buff raid to have opposition, and it's fun to try to intercept and disrupt the buff raid on the defensive side too.

If someone wanted to stage massive B-29 raids from near their HQ, heading across 150 miles to enemy territory, so that there was plenty of warning, and plenty of time to organize a defense to it, climbing up to 30k or whatever, I can foresee a heck of a lot of fun for everyone.

I really dig these buff raids, whether I'm in the buff, or in the 262 trying to shoot down the buffs.  These buff raids are always good for a fun fight.

[AWwrgwy]

How could a formation of bombers with a total payload of 60,000 pounds possibly disrupt or unbalance anything in the MA's?


 


wrongway

[sethipus]

How could a formation of bombers with a total payload of 60,000 pounds possibly disrupt or unbalance anything in the MA's?
wrongway

You mean, how could a formation of bombers, costing 600 perks to take off, taking off from a zone base, or from the HQ airfields, possibly disrupt or unbalance anything in the MAs?

Just like the 262 doesn't unbalance the game.  If it were free it probably would.  It's not, and so it doesn't.

[Lukanian-7]

This is only tens of views away from the amount of views in the Forum Rules thread.

That's pathetic.

[Lye-El]

You mean, how could a formation of bombers, costing 600 perks to take off, taking off from a zone base, or from the HQ airfields, possibly disrupt or unbalance anything in the MAs?

What makes you think that the Überbomber would have formations?

[FYB]

What makes you think that the Überbomber would have formations?

Because it did and so forth deserves one.

-FYB

[sethipus]

What makes you think that the Überbomber would have formations?

What bomber currently in the game doesn't have formations?  What makes you think the B-29 would necessarily be any different?

[Kazaa]

The B-29 was only a bomber at the end of the day, I’m sure it’s liable of being raped by faster more manoeuvrable A/C like every other buff in AH2 is.

It should have the formation option like every other heavy bomber in game. HTC would definitely need to look into perking ordinance instead of perking the B-29 out right.

[AWwrgwy]

Off topic-ish.

Just out of curiosity, I know the B-29 is in IL-2.  Do they have the nook?  Do people there wish they had a nook?


 


wrongway

[Plazus]

I have an even simpler idea. Why not just have the B29 in the game. Give the formations and its full bomb payload. Subtract the atomic bomb, and quit the whining! 

[Dan216TH]

B-29 is the carrot on a stick and we are the donkeys. We’ll never ever get it, but we will keep playing, paying and posting in the hopes that one day when all the hanger queens have been added we might be able to nuke something. 

Kaz, <S>

agreed

[JETBLST]

Some of the funnest sorties I have flown in the MAs are when someone organizes a mass bombing raid, and you see this huge darbar forming up two sectors behind the front or whatever, and there's simply no question about what that must be - a buff raid.

So, the word gets out, people start upping Ponies and 262s and whatnot and heading toward intercepting it.  Then you show up and it's B-17s at like 23k with Pony escorts, and it's this long, running fight across many sectors as they get to some strat, blow it up, turn around, and fight their way back home.

It's fun for the buff raid to have opposition, and it's fun to try to intercept and disrupt the buff raid on the defensive side too.

If someone wanted to stage massive B-29 raids from near their HQ, heading across 150 miles to enemy territory, so that there was plenty of warning, and plenty of time to organize a defense to it, climbing up to 30k or whatever, I can foresee a heck of a lot of fun for everyone.

I really dig these buff raids, whether I'm in the buff, or in the 262 trying to shoot down the buffs.  These buff raids are always good for a fun fight.

What I like doing is getting my B17s up so high they...

1.  Cannot really be seen too well unless you've climbed for a week or so.  35k and up. 

2.  Cannot be chased down readily by very many fighters due to climb performance at those alts.  I really enjoyed watching this 262 just simply go back and forth underneath me because of this.  He eventually went home.  A 190 simply ran out of gas.  Great fun.

3.  Are so high that few keep coming after me unless of course it is Bud Gray who I get a kick out of shooting down.  LOL!  Meant with all the respect in the world Bud!
    

[JETBLST]

What is the current length of the runways in Aces High?

Based on the Given:

OAT 38deg C
Sea Level
115,000 lbs Avg GTOW
Concrete Dry Runway
No Wind
25 Deg Flaps
47.5 Map
50' Obstacle chart used here.

Take Off distance for the B29 is 4,620 feet.

So depending on the runway lengths this might poke a hole in the whole airfield Re Do argument.

Also I highly doubt the modeling of the aircraft was done with 38 Deg C in mind.  If ISA was used to calculate performance models then the TO Distance for the B29 would be less.  More like 4200'.  Keep in mind the GTOW here was mid range, (115,000 lbs).

Obviously if you are going to use GTOW of 190,000 lbs @ ISA +0 you'd be in trouble getting off the ground here in Aces.  You'd be talking a TO Distance of 12,000 feet.

What would be FUN IMO for many Aces Pilots would be the considerations you would have to consider with a long range heavy bomb load out!  It would be very PRONOUNCED with the B29 and could be very educational for many new pilots, and veteran pilots who would be new to bombers.

That said it would be another request that ammo load outs (If the B29 was to be heavily perked) could be adjustable as well and movable too!  Maybe you would prefer to have more ammo in the rear guns than all of it up front?  Or if not movable then give us more ammo in the rear, belly, and top guns if possible.

Anyway    I think after reading all the posts we ought to have the B29.  I think it would be very interesting.  I'm also a no nook guy too! 

[Lye-El]

I have an even simpler idea. Why not just have the B29 in the game. Give the formations and its full bomb payload. Subtract the atomic bomb, and quit the whining! 

They would get used as bigger, faster Lancasters unless perked VERY heavy. At altitude a fighter isn't going to catch one. With the magic bomb sight that the current bombers have and the lazer guns...Über indeed.