Keep on shooting at those 'copters

[VOR]

This same thing happened during the LA riots.

The fact is that many, many people are tottering on the edge of chaos every day with only the threat of repercussion keeping them in line.

[Sandman]

Originally posted by Simaril
Lazs --

Not intended as a troll, but as a pointeed question --

Does this kind of behaviour in any way conflict with anarchism? Or the right to keep and bear full automatic weapons?



BTW I am NOT a gun control advocate

Ya know... there are two sides to the anarchy coin and one of them doesn't include violence and a disregard for others.

[Sandman]

Originally posted by Gunthr
The looting of jewelry, watches and electronics is part of the same mentality... they will loot because they can.

Actually, it makes sense to loot jewelry along with the food and any other items that could enhance survival. It might be useful for barter. Hell... who knows when order will be restored?

[sling322]

Originally posted by Siaf__csf
I thought that maybe people were shooting the rescue copters because they were rescuing people from the dome, not from the stranded tree or rooftop.

But as I was pointed, it's very easy for a psycho to get a weapon down there so there's plenty of potential.

I still have a very tough time following your logic....but maybe its just the language barrier or something.  

Are you still contending that just because the helicopter is saving someone else, its ok for you to shoot at it to "get its attention"?  Or are you just trying to get in a quick jab over American's right to keep and bear arms?

[Sixpence]

Originally posted by airguard
Is it much poverty in the area ?

Oh yeah, I remember when the patriots were playing green bay in the superbowl, they had an article in the paper about the area. They warned you not to venture too far from bourbon street, just a few blocks away was a very bad area. They avg'd 1.3 deaths a day. The people in the area would turn their lights off at night so they would not be seen through the windows(they were targets). Bad area to begin with, now there is no law around to keep them in check, yeah, I could see this happening. Think of all those addicts who are not getting their fix, I would not want to be near them.

[Mickey1992]

Reports from this morning said that Game and Wildlife officials in boats are still rescuing 600-700 people AN HOUR.  Did anyone leave the city?

[Siaf__csf]

Are you still contending that just because the helicopter is saving someone else, its ok for you to shoot at it to "get its attention"?

No it's not ok. But if you'd be sitting on the rooftop of a sinking house for two days with your children crying for fresh water and food, you might take a shot or two in anger and frustration too. Providing you got a loaded gun handy.

'Daddy why are those relatively safe people being picked up from the dome while we're about to dehydrate or drown here?'

Then again if they were looters, kill em all. Worst scum of the earth.

[Mickey1992]

Originally posted by Siaf__csf
But if you'd be sitting on the rooftop of a sinking house for two days .... you might take a shot or two in anger and frustration too.

No I wouldn't.  That's what separates law-abiding people from criminals.

[Seagoon]

Hi VOR,

Originally posted by VOR
This same thing happened during the LA riots.

The fact is that many, many people are tottering on the edge of chaos every day with only the threat of repercussion keeping them in line.

There is a lot of truth in what you say above.

I don't have time to find the quote in my library but I believe it was Lord Acton who said something along the lines of men will be either be ruled by a moral conscience or the strong arm of men, in essence they will be ruled either by the bible or the bayonet. Unfortunately, in New Orleans there are a lot of people who are utterly devoid of a working conscience and the threat of the bayonet has temporarily been lifted. Hence the utterly lawless behavior we are seeing.

This will be of little interest to most, but in theology we have a category called "common grace" and under common grace amongst other things we have the common means that God has given to restrain the evil of the stony hearted. They are, the family, the church, and the government. Unfortunately, for many years our society has been hell-bent on tearing down parts one and two of that equation while attempting to replace both of them with part 3.

Especially as I meet with those seeking charitable assistance, I increasingly encounter people who not only have never been to a church, but who have never been part of a functioning family. They have essentially been raised without any ethics, and in reality without any rules or structure at all. The only restraint on their actions, from the very beginning has been the possibility that the government might send them to jail for certain behaviors. Remove the imminent threat of punishment from the magistrate, wait for long enough for them to realize it, and you inevitably will have looting, violence, shooting at helicopters, etc.

- SEAGOON

[sling322]

Originally posted by Siaf__csf

'Daddy why are those relatively safe people being picked up from the dome while we're about to dehydrate or drown here?'

 

"because we were too stupid to evacuate and get to the dome ourselves like the mayor and everybody said to before the storm hit son."

All those people being plucked from rooftops had the same opportunity to get to the Dome just like everyone else.   It might sound harsh but I have no sympathy for those who were able to leave and didnt.  

Unfortunately the ones roaming the streets now causing the problems are probably the ones who could have left but didnt.  It really makes me mad that they have had to divert a lot of police and national guard units to the role of tracking down and stopping the looters instead of trying to rescue people.....such a huge waste of manpower being spent on an unnecessary job.

[Yeager]

the only place where you could have a discussion this idiotic would be on an internet bulliten board.......WAIT!

[StarOfAfrica2]

I believe they were firing on buses not helicopters.  As buses are what they are using to evacuate the Superdome.  New O. police have been ordered to cease rescue efforts and turn entirely to battling armed looters.

I do know a hospital in Gretna has asked for troops to help them evacuate after armed gunmen stole trucks shipping in medicine and food.  Tenet Healthcare said they could no longer guarantee the safety of their patients and staff.

[BTAirsol]

I just heard the news on the radio that mobs are running the neighborhoods and 3 people have been shot and killed, rapes have been committed at the Super Dome. Man it sounds very bad and living here in southern california makes me think what might happen when we have the big one. The right to bear arms sounds more and more needed for protection of life and property.

[Sandman]

Originally posted by Seagoon

in essence they will be ruled either by the bible or the bayonet.

I vehemently disagree. I consider myself to be a moral person and I'm an atheist. I do not act this way because I fear the "bayonet". It is because I expect to be treated in the same way.

[beet1e]

Originally posted by BTAirsol
The right to bear arms sounds more and more needed for protection of life and property.

Indeed, indeed. And that's because your country has let all kinds of idiots get their hands on guns. Look how it all ends up when that happens.