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Offline AVRO1

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« Reply #60 on: September 04, 2005, 08:50:48 AM »
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I saw a post about what if we used todays tech with steam engines. Isnt that what a nuke reactor is basically?


Nuclear reactors split atoms into the elements they are made of. These elements break other atoms when they hit them and so on and so forth. That is the chain reaction.

The energy that is released from this activity is then transformed into electricity.

Nothing is created, only transformed.
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Offline Siaf__csf

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« Reply #61 on: September 04, 2005, 11:21:03 AM »
Well actually several things are also created in the process Avro - plutonium for one.
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« Reply #62 on: September 04, 2005, 11:34:27 AM »
and tree-hugger enviormental activists for another.
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« Reply #63 on: September 04, 2005, 11:44:05 AM »
yep... no problem... when the soccer moms want to watch desperate housewives on TV or nuke a meal for the family and the power is off.... they will throw the tree huggers into the furnaces for fuel.

When we want electricity we will make it.

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« Reply #64 on: September 04, 2005, 03:55:49 PM »
You guys do realize the oil companies have the plans for an engine that runs on water right? They're just holding it back til the oil runs out, when global warming kicks in and they own all the major water supplies. Don't believe me? Check Arab ownership of glacial valleys!
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« Reply #65 on: September 04, 2005, 04:48:30 PM »
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You guys do realize the oil companies have the plans for an engine that runs on water right? They're just holding it back til the oil runs out, when global warming kicks in and they own all the major water supplies. Don't believe me? Check Arab ownership of glacial valleys!


And what's that hiding under the bridge???
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« Reply #66 on: September 04, 2005, 05:53:38 PM »
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I wonder what the amish are thinking...


They're thinking the diesel that runs the air compressor that runs the water pump and milking machine is expensive. What people that aren't from this area don't realize is the Amish use many of the same machinery and conviences we do it just has to be difficult. They use propane lights and refrigerators, washing machines and hay mowers and balers with gasoline engines.
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« Reply #67 on: September 05, 2005, 05:39:24 AM »
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I believe what Maverick is referring to was not 3 mile island in the 70's, but another reactor problem.  I vaguely remember hearing about it but can't quite place the details.  Control rods sticking is a problem with commercial reactors to this day.  



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Malta


that happened at cheryonobil.the rods stuck too far out ...so far out that the  reactor went our of control and from there on it was OH SHI**" uncontrolled reactor = Hiroshima(btw i know the area around cheronobyl wasnt razed, the explosion was "muffeled" by the reactor housing.)
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« Reply #68 on: September 05, 2005, 05:58:18 AM »
Chernobyl didn't suffer a nuclear explosion. It was a pressure explosion from the coolant being vaporized. It blew up like a steam boiler.
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« Reply #69 on: September 05, 2005, 07:06:51 AM »
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Originally posted by Siaf__csf Well actually several things are also created in the process Avro - plutonium for one.


By created I meant that they appear out of thin air.

I know that new elements are found in the reactor after the reaction. But their are no more protons and neutrons then their was at the beginning of the reaction. So their was no creation of matter.

Sorry if I wasn't clear. :(
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« Reply #70 on: September 05, 2005, 10:08:19 PM »
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The Hindenburg incident happened because it was painted with flammable paint, not from hydrogen.


So the 7,000,000 cu ft of burning hydrogen had nothing to do with it?

The Los Angeles was full of Helium and painted with the same stuff.  Did it explode?

The biggest problem with hydrogen is that it is not a source of energy.  Oil, Coal, Wind, Geothermal, Gas, Nuclear, Solar, something needs to provide the power to store in the form of hydrogen so we can burn the hydrogen.
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« Reply #71 on: September 05, 2005, 10:56:40 PM »
AVRO doesnt the nuclear reaction only make the water hot enough to make steam and turn turbines and generate electricity?

As for hydrogen, trapping a big balloon of the stuff in my opinion would be dangerous, but there must be safer ways to contain it today to power things.
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« Reply #72 on: September 06, 2005, 12:57:17 AM »
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Chernobyl didn't suffer a nuclear explosion. It was a pressure explosion from the coolant being vaporized. It blew up like a steam boiler.

oh yeah DUH thx now i remember
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« Reply #73 on: September 06, 2005, 05:51:46 AM »
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So the 7,000,000 cu ft of burning hydrogen had nothing to do with it?


IIRC it happened because of Hindenburg's paint was charged with electricity and flame arc ignited the gas. There's your reason and consequence.
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« Reply #74 on: September 06, 2005, 06:24:37 AM »
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AVRO doesnt the nuclear reaction only make the water hot enough to make steam and turn turbines and generate electricity?


I doubt that a nuclear reactor only heats water to 100° C (212° F). I think it creates higher temps which gives very high pressure. More pressure means more energy with turbines.

Fuel efficiency is the best thing about nuclear energy.
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