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Offline OOZ662

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« Reply #15 on: September 03, 2005, 09:34:23 PM »
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I've never done it before, but I read up enough (I think) before hand. I applied paste a little bigger than the size of a pea and smoothed it out with a knife.


With Arctic Silver (the best kind) you use a drop just smaller than a grain of rice on the heat spreader, put the CPU in place, put the heatsink down on top of it without smoothing it at all, rotate it 1 degree in each direction, and put the straps across the heatsink.

If you decide to redo it, make sure you clean both with 99-100% rubbing alcohol, brake cleaner or ArctiClean 2 (do not use any citrus products unless you plan on going over them again with one of the above) and a LINT-FREE cloth; seriously, like a coffee filter. Don't let anything but the thermal paste touch either side; no hair, no dust, and especially no fingerprints.

The layer of thermal paste should be very very thin. As in around 0.003 inches(at least with Arctic Silver; I've never used anything else); hence the reason why you smush the two together instead of spreading it with a knife. By spreading it around, I'm guessing you introduced air pockets and grooves in the paste and/or had some leak over the side of the heat spreader.

In conclusion, ANY old material will cause the interface to get screwey, including air, hair, fingerprints (fingerprints can be thicker than how much paste you need), old paste that wasn't removed with a tough cleaning agent, ect ect. The whole reason for the paste is to fill in the microscopic grooves that manufacturing tools leave behind on the heat spreader and heatsink and make them as if they were one piece of material.
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« Reply #16 on: September 04, 2005, 02:28:28 AM »
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Ok, it IS a Prescott... which means the temps the cpu is running at is acceptable.

Could it be the temp of the vid card causing the lock ups? I have a Nvidia 5700LE 256 meg.


I just had a similar heat issue, but with an OC'd AMD Barton. I repacked the thermal grease and blew the cat hair out of the cpu fan... it runs a full 10-15 cooler.

I have the same 5700le that has been OC'd from 225/400 to 450/500 using coolbits... the NV36 chip on the LE is an underclocked Ultra that's rated to run at 475/450.

Basically your LE is an Ultra, if you're not overclocking it, try out coolbits Its a puny reg file

  Here's a breakdown of what cards have the NV36

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« Reply #17 on: September 04, 2005, 03:01:45 AM »
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Yep... sound will continue for about 3-4 seconds and then nothing. I have to pull the plug or hit the reset button the case. It has happened ONCE off AH, otherwise its always in AH.


Del, I have a 3.0 Northwood with a nVidia 6800 and I am getting EXACTLY the same lockups. Hard lock, VOX repeats a few times and then I have to reboot, I cant ALT-ESC or CTL-ALT-DEL.

At first I suspected my power supply, but that is not it. I have ruled out any hardware or driver issues. I think it is somewhere in the settings of AH. After I did a clean re-install of AH (and I mean clean, no saved settings, no skins, no custom sounds) I have not had a single lockup, where before I would have 4-5 a night.

I have no idea why, or what, part of AH was set wrong or was porked to cause my lockups, but they were IDENTICAL to yours and the clean re-install fixed it.

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« Reply #18 on: September 04, 2005, 03:21:03 AM »
I have formated and reinstalled AH already...

I also ran a bench test and everything is ok, via 'burn-it' with Sandra.

I am COMPLETELY at a loss for what may be going on with my system. I really want to fix it rather than just buy new parts and perpetuate this problem.

In short, I'm desparate for help...
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« Reply #19 on: September 04, 2005, 10:37:51 AM »
Well...lets give some other general things a try.

1.Go into DXDIAG's Sound tab and put the Hardware Acceleration to 3/4 instead of Full
2.Check for BIOS and Chipset driver updates. I'm not sure how to update chipset drivers, seeing as I didn't know they existed until this computer.
3.Make sure everything's seated nice. Video card, sound card, the works.
4.Use a program to determine voltages. That's my guess as to what's wrong, but I'm not to sure with this one.
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« Reply #20 on: September 04, 2005, 10:57:52 AM »
1. Done, was already set at 3/4 per Skuzzy's recommendations.

2. I have all the updated windows drivers for the cpu, I am not comfortable flashing the bios, I've heard horror stories. I have a Asus P4P800-E Deluxe.

3. I removed everything and re-inserted it.

4. I ran Sandra several times and all the voltages were in green. I could post the results if you desire.

Thanks for the help... I am baffled at what the heck is causing my problems.
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« Reply #21 on: September 04, 2005, 11:20:28 AM »
Hmmmm....


I've got a P4 3.0, nVidia vid card and an Asus P4s800...we seem to have a trend here.

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« Reply #22 on: September 04, 2005, 11:24:54 AM »
Ok, every other game I have runs fine and nothing crashes... only AH, it did crash once in windows but it was only after I had just logged off AH.

Could it be the way I am preloading stuff to the vid card/ram?
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« Reply #23 on: September 04, 2005, 12:38:19 PM »
I wouldn't preload into the video card. It takes up a lot of space.

GIGABYTE GA-8IPE1000PRO-G with a 3.0 Northwood here; runs at 32 C under full load.

My heatsink/fan with the grill removed.
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« Reply #24 on: September 04, 2005, 01:35:16 PM »
By any chance do you have memory acceleration mode enabled in the bios? I have a p4p800 deluxe and memory accerleration mode runs fine for everything else but crashes AH. Look in your manual and see where it is then look in the bios to check and make sure it is not enabled.
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« Reply #25 on: September 04, 2005, 02:25:26 PM »
Memory Acceleration is standard, just checked it when AH crashed again.
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« Reply #26 on: September 04, 2005, 04:04:22 PM »
why not run dxdiag and post it for us.

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« Reply #27 on: September 04, 2005, 04:27:29 PM »
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Ok, every other game I have runs fine and nothing crashes... only AH, it did crash once in windows but it was only after I had just logged off AH.

Could it be the way I am preloading stuff to the vid card/ram?


Same here, its only in AH, and until recently (and it sounds like the same time Del started having problems) I had zero stability problems with AH.

I'll post my DXdiag too.

I think it has something to do with VOX, I get the lockups when someone else transmits VOX. Its not every time I hear a VOX transmission, but the lockups always happen during one.

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« Reply #28 on: September 04, 2005, 09:12:16 PM »
Try switching to using Wave In (under Voice in Setup). That way, Windows handles VOX instead of DirectSound.
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« Reply #29 on: September 05, 2005, 04:42:20 PM »
Well, thanks for jynxing me guys. :D  Now I have the same problems.
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