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Offline Holden McGroin

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« Reply #60 on: September 02, 2005, 06:25:55 PM »
Skydancer, watch the news and realize the media do not know what's going on.  The are not experts at what they are seeing.  News comes out before the dust settles.

When Chernobyl exploded, a New York paper said "10,000 dead!"
as their headline.

When a guy at school told me about that, I told him my gues was 50 at most, and it turned out I was a lot closer to the truth than the idiot media.
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« Reply #61 on: September 02, 2005, 06:25:59 PM »
So you don't think this could have been handled better? :huh

They should have had trucks and busses and national guard READY TO GO  before the storm hit. They did not. Poor planning. We are now playing catch-up. And doing a good job of it, but that does not excuse the lack of foresight and planning.

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P.S. too all you taking exception to dropping supplies from C-130's. If I were in NO I would gladly swim 1000 yrds to secure food and water. Second, there are plenty of choppers in the area.
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« Reply #62 on: September 02, 2005, 06:27:44 PM »
If they prepositioned supplies in NO, the supplies would have been destroyed along with everthing else.
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« Reply #63 on: September 02, 2005, 06:28:22 PM »
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So you don't think this could have been handled better? :huh

They should have had trucks and busses and national guard READY TO GO  before the storm hit. They did not. Poor planning. We are now playing catch-up. And doing a good job of it, but that does not excuse the lack of foresight and planning.

g00b

Absolutely. 9/11 could have been handled better. Asian Tsunami could have been handled better. PEARL HARBOR could have been handled better. What makes human beings unique is the ability to recover when their habitat is destroyed or changed.  All the preparation in the WORLD will NEVER prepare you for the real thing, whether it be war, famine, catastrophe, etc.  The BEST thing we do is recovery, lend a hand, lend a dollar and move on. So have you contributed anything to this disaster besides critisism?
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« Reply #64 on: September 02, 2005, 06:30:55 PM »
Why all the illogical defences for our countries poor performance? I'm as patriotic as the next guy. But to suggest that we did all we could, is just asinine. They could have driven all the way from Houston in 24 hours. Presuming nobody was smart enough to stage things a bit closer.

You folks have such low standards. You just assume that everyone in power is a complete fool and we shouldn't expect anything more for our tax dollars.

And Ripsnort, this is not a war. It is a natural disaster which was forecast almost a week in advance. If it were a tsunami with no warning I would expect this type of responce. But we knew bout this ahead of time! We knew there was a large chance of something like this happening and completely failed to have an appropriate responce ready.

If you disagree, fine. But I just don't see it.

g00b
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« Reply #65 on: September 02, 2005, 06:32:47 PM »
Holden are you realy saying that only about 50 people died as a result of Chernobyl:huh

You are kidding right? Or are you forgetting that people will be dying from the effects of radiation for the next few hundred years if not longer.

I think the news media is a more accurate source than some of what I read in here! Not much more but hey :rolleyes:

And g00b I think you are right there mate. Yes some heroic stuff is going on. Yes I take my hat off to those working to save the situation. But it is surely daft not to ask why the Govt has been so slow in its reaction.
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« Reply #66 on: September 02, 2005, 06:37:00 PM »
Due to the initial explosion and the firefighting efforts, yes.

Due to thyroid cancers and other ligering effects, no.

I was obviously talking of the initial press reports.  10,000 initial deaths is way off; 50 initial deaths is within a dozen or so.

I was using this as an illustration that you should not take the correctness of media reports as gospel.  If you do you will be  forever confused.
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« Reply #67 on: September 02, 2005, 06:38:11 PM »
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Why all the illogical defences for our countries poor performance? I'm as patriotic as the next guy. But to suggest that we did all we could, is just asinine. They could have driven all the way from Houston in 24 hours. Presuming nobody was smart enough to stage things a bit closer.


We DIDN'T do the best we could, even your PRESIDENT said that you dolt! What I am saying is we can sit here and play couch-quarterback AFTER the fact all we want! But its NOT gonna change a dang thing, for the future either! NOTHING goes as planned, in war, famine, catastrophe...ever! IN HISTORY!  Did you forget about Wed. when reports of rescue choppers calling off rescues due to GROUND FIRE?!?!?! THAT will certainly ruin a good day of being a good samaritan!

Sorry, I'm ranting, just getting SICK AND FRICKING TIRED of people POINTING FINGERS instead of being PRO-ACTIVE AND HELPING!
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« Reply #68 on: September 02, 2005, 06:41:18 PM »
So urm Rip what are you doing to help other than arguing on this Bbs? Let he who hath no sin cast the first stone as our resident pastor might say!

I prepare to stand and be corrected here but then again....
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« Reply #69 on: September 02, 2005, 06:42:35 PM »
An appropriate responce would have likely kept all the looting, shooting, etc. to a minimum. I do not think it's unreasonable to have expected at least a couple thousand national gaurd in place after 24 hours. That would have gone a long ways towards keeping the peace.

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« Reply #70 on: September 02, 2005, 06:44:54 PM »
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So urm Rip what are you doing to help other than arguing on this Bbs? Let he who hath no sin cast the first stone as our resident pastor might say!

I prepare to stand and be corrected here but then again....

If you must know...Lets just say I'm getting a new laptop due to the $$ I've donated in the last 2 days.

Which is fine with me. We'll see if we can't donate more next week. I'm no saint. Drop in the bucket. More drops is more buckets. More buckets is recovery.
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« Reply #71 on: September 02, 2005, 06:46:52 PM »
Good then we have both done what we can. Nowe can we get on with the arguing;)

Oh no hang on I can hear wait yes far off about a 150 miles away the sound of my poor old mother! ;) :rofl :aok
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« Reply #72 on: September 02, 2005, 06:47:53 PM »
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Good then we have both done what we can. Nowe can we get on with the arguing;)

Oh no hang on I can hear wait yes far off about a 150 miles away the sound of my poor old mother! ;) :rofl :aok
:rofl

Good night. I'm outta here as well. Take care.
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« Reply #73 on: September 02, 2005, 06:50:08 PM »
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Indeed but somewhere down the line someone has to take responsibility for the failure! Otherwise it will happen again and again. Sea levelsd are set to rise don't ya know and Europe will face that too. The Dutch ought to be watching pretty closely and learning how not to manage the situation !


Cool, so you blame the Tsunami on Thailnad then, eh?  

I'm starting to understand your "flawed logic".

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« Reply #74 on: September 02, 2005, 06:51:27 PM »
Who gives away free laptops for donations received?

What a bizzare concept.
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