Gloat, gloat, gloat your boat, gently down the stream...

[Kieren]

Nope. The monarchy is the figurehead of your country. Anyone who would ridicule our political system needs to look in their own closets first.

There is a state called Kentucky near my home state of Indiana. It holds that horse racing is the "sport of kings". I guess we know the true "sport of kings", eh?  

Seriously, if you are trying to judge an entire country based on the view you get of us through that little portal you call your television you are going to come up way short.

[Ripsnort]

 

Originally posted by Kieren:


Seriously, if you are trying to judge an entire country based on the view you get of us through that little portal you call your television you are going to come up way short.

Bingo! We have a winner!  Spend more time in books than TV, then you get the 'documented' historical version of anything you pass judgement on.

[CavemanJ]

 

Originally posted by Mighty1:
I still don't see why they can't have it if you get the most votes in a state then you win that state and you get 1 vote. Add all the States vote and then you have a winner. If there is a tie then go by popular vote.

This way all states are equal and every vote DOES count. Not just in your state but in the overall tally.

That's pretty  much how it works now, with the exception of the number of electoral votes a state carries.

What I'd like to see is the states start awarding thier electoral votes based on who won what district.  Each state gets 1 electoral vote for each congressional district it has, plus 2 votes for the 2 senate seats right?  Ok, give 1 vote to each candidate (or the top 2 candidates) right off the bat.  Then award the rest by who carried the congressional district.  IMO this would be pretty close to a popular vote for president, but maintaining the balance the electoral college provides.

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This whole thing almost makes ya wonder what if the events in Executive Orders ever really happened  

[Kats]

 

BTW... Gore did win the popular vote. Not really any room for gloating.

Lets think about this.........

 

The more Natapoff looked into the nitty-gritty of real elections, the
 more parallels he found with another American institution that stirs
 up wild passions in the populace. The same logic that governs our
 electoral system, he saw, also applies to many sports--which
 Americans do, intuitively, understand. In baseball’s World Series, for
 example, the team that scores the most runs overall is like a
 candidate who gets the most votes. But to become champion, that
 team must win the most games. In 1960, during a World Series as
 nail-bitingly close as that year’s presidential battle between
 Kennedy and Nixon, the New York Yankees, with the awesome
 slugging combination of Mickey Mantle, Roger Maris, and Bill
 "Moose" Skowron, scored more than twice as many total runs as the
 Pittsburgh Pirates, 55 to 27. Yet the Yankees lost the series, four
 games to three. Even Natapoff, who grew up in the shadow of
 Yankee Stadium, conceded that Pittsburgh deserved to win.
 "Nobody walked away saying it was unfair," he says.

 Runs must be grouped in a way that wins games, just as popular
 votes must be grouped in a way that wins states. The Yankees won
 three blowouts (16-3, 10-0, 12-0), but they couldn’t come up with the
 runs they needed in the other four games, which were close. "And
 that’s exactly how Cleveland lost the series of 1888," Natapoff
 continues. "Grover Cleveland. He lost the five largest states by a
 close margin, though he carried Texas, which was a thinly populated
 state then, by a large margin. So he scored more runs, but he lost
 the five biggies." And that was fair, too. In sports, we accept that a
 true champion should be more consistent than the 1960 Yankees. A
 champion should be able to win at least some of the tough, close
 contests by every means available--bunting, stealing, brilliant
 pitching, dazzling plays in the field--and not just smack home runs
 against second-best pitchers. A presidential candidate worthy of
 office, by the same logic, should have broad appeal across the
 whole nation, and not just play strongly on a single issue to isolated
 blocs of voters.

 "Experts, scholars, deep thinkers could make errors on electoral
 reform," Natapoff decided, "but nine-year-olds could explain to a
 Martian why the Yankees lost in 1960, and why it was right. And both
 have the same underlying abstract principle."

For the rest of this fantastic article:
  http://www.avagara.com/e_c/reference/00012001.htm

[This message has been edited by Kats (edited 12-14-2000).]

[StSanta]

Kieren, the monarchy is far from that. Although technically Denmark is a constitutional monarchy, the reality is much different. Our queen has no power and goes around entertaining foreign guests and opens malls and stuff. And get paid huge money for it, really sad.

You gotta do better than that   . A technicality.

here's one for you.

At least my country has an official language and the dudes with the most votes get the most power.

Heheheheee   .

Oh, and I don't judge it by what I see on TV, thanyouverymuch. I have other sources of information. The interaction on this board is one of them, but one of the smaller ones  .

Americans assuming I get all my knowledge from tv. Just the way tv portray them.

<pokes Kieren with a stick and smiles>

 

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StSanta
9./JG 54 "Grünherz"
 

[This message has been edited by StSanta (edited 12-14-2000).]

[Kieren]

Ah, St, my inbred Danish friend...

If you were crazy, would you know it? Is this reality the same reality the rest of the world knows? How do you know?

You know one of the dangers of inbreeding is mutation, mental incapacitation....  

*kicks St.Santa squarely in the groin*

[Mighty1]

Cave my point is that every state should be worth the same. As it is now some states are more important than others.

To put it another way with the current standards my vote is less important than that of the people in Floriduh just because of the number of electoral votes they get to what Indiana gets. Fair? I think not.

Of course I can see why Demos don't want to change it cause if you look at how many states Bush won it wouldn't have even been close.

[Toad]

There's nothing to gloat about...except maybe that the whole dang thing is finally over. That would be a truly non-partisan gloat though.

Anybody with more than sawdust for brains can see that it is now time to see what we can all do together.

Remember that both Gore and Bush addressed many of the same problems, albeit in different ways. The task now is get SOMETHING done; sitting around squeaking doesn't get the hay into the barn. Don't be afraid that something might not work; you don't know till you try. If it doesn't work, we learn and try again.