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« Reply #45 on: December 15, 2000, 12:32:00 PM »
Nash that still does not prove Clinton/Gore did anything.

Tell me what THEY did to help the underprivileged.
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« Reply #46 on: December 15, 2000, 01:01:00 PM »
Hrmph.

I'll make a deal with you Mighty. You get off yer arse and tell me what Bush did in Texas, and I'll tell you what Clinton/Gore did.  I'm perfectly willing to do this, and get into specific detail -  I'll do it inna second...

It's just that you've been throwing out these party-line sound bites that are innacurate, and you constantly expect other people to do the work of proving why you're wrong.

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« Reply #47 on: December 15, 2000, 01:20:00 PM »
Nash

I for one would just like to thank you for keeping us bellybutton backwards Republicans in line. I really respect and appreciate a Canadian's viewpoint on American politics, really I do ............ not.

 

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« Reply #48 on: December 15, 2000, 01:27:00 PM »
Nash you are asking me to tell you what Clinton/Gore have done to help the underprivileged but that's exactly what I asked you to do.

If you want me to answer my own question then fine..They have done NOTHING.

As far as what Bush has done in Texas you would be better off asking Udie about that.
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« Reply #49 on: December 15, 2000, 01:39:00 PM »
No Mighty, I was asking you to point out what Bush has done....and I'd point out what Clinton has done.

"... tell me what Bush did in Texas, and I'll tell you what Clinton/Gore did."

Can that be any more clear?

Ah, but of course, give me a blanket "nothing" and then ask Udie to fight yer battles.


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« Reply #50 on: December 15, 2000, 02:36:00 PM »
I am not familiar with Bush's accomplishment but that wasn't the point was it?

 I asked what did Clinton/Gore do to help the so called "underprivileged". You avoided the question by asking me another question which I am not qualified to answer. I am not asking Udie to fight my battles I only mentioned him because he is from Texas and he would know more about Bush than me.

Now if you don't want to answer my question fine ..don't but don't turn it around on me like I'm trying to defend Bush because I'm not.

You keep jumping in trying to defend Gore but you won't answer a simple question.

Can THAT be anymore clear?
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« Reply #51 on: December 15, 2000, 03:10:00 PM »
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« Reply #52 on: December 15, 2000, 03:56:00 PM »
The only reason I asked you about Bush is because you continually just repeat the party line on this board - not really saying anything, not justifying anything, not adding anything.... Nothing from you but Goron this, Sore Loserman that. I reckoned that for once you might get off yer arse and actually do some work, and maybe learn something in the process. At least have the wherewithal to back up your claims.

This thing started not by you asking me to prove something, but by me asking *you* "Do you mind expanding on that? What makes you say this?" with regard to your statement about Clinton doing nothing.

So easy to say toejame like this - but you have absolutely nothing to back it up. You never do.

But ok - what has the Clinton administration actually *done* for the underpriveledged? You say "NOTHING". The record aint hard to dig up:

Since he passed his Economic Plan in 1993, the poverty rate has declined from 15.1 percent in 1993 to 11.8 percent in 1999 – the largest six-year drop in poverty in nearly 30 years (1964-1970). There are now 7 million fewer people in poverty than in 1993, and over 2.2 million, or over 30 percent, of this decline occurred during the past year.

Additionally, child poverty has dropped by 25.6 percent - from 22.7 percent in 1993 to 16.9 percent in 1999. It is the lowest child poverty rate since 1979 and includes the largest one-year decline since 1966. The African American child poverty rate has fallen 28.2 percent since 1993, and dropped from 36.7 percent in 1998 to 33.1 percent in 1999 - the largest one-year drop in history and the lowest level on record. The Hispanic child poverty rate has fallen by 26 percent since 1993, and dropped from 25.6 percent in 1998 to 22.8 percent in 1999 - the lowest level since 1979.

He enacted the single largest investment in health care for children since 1965.

He expanded of the Earned Income Tax Credit. In 1999, the EITC lifted 4.1 million people out of poverty – nearly double the number lifted out of poverty by the EITC in 1993.

He doubled federal funding for child care, helping parents pay for the care of about 1.5 million children in 1998.

He increased funding for the Head Start program by 90 percent, and in FY 2000, the program will serve approximately 880,000 children – over 160,000 more children than in 1993.

He signed the Adoption and Safe Families Act, which made sweeping changes to the previous adoption law.  In 1999, 46,000 foster care children were adopted – more than a 64 percent increase since 1996.

He proposed and enacted the HOPE Scholarships and Lifetime Learning tax credits, which in 1999 were claimed by an estimated 10 million American families struggling to pay for college.

He expanded Work Study and Pell grants.  One million students can now work their way through college because of the President's expansion of the Work Study Program, and nearly four million students will receive a Pell Grant of up to $3,300, the largest maximum award ever. The maximum award has increased 43 percent under the Clinton-Gore Administration.

He cut student fees and interest rates on all loans, expanded repayment options including income contingent repayment, and improved service through the Direct Loan Program. Students have saved $8.7 billion since 1993 through the reduction in loan fees and interest rates.

Again... one could go on and on. But I'll stop here. He has done *something*. You're wrong.  
 



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« Reply #53 on: December 15, 2000, 04:16:00 PM »
He did all the above single handedly, no help from the Republicans   .

All the while sexually molesting and groping women in the Whitehouse.

Amazing what you can do when you downsize the military's budget to the point of vulnerability.

He's practically slept with the Chinese.

He's lied under oath.

He's introduced any child watching the evening news to a new definition to what "sexual relations" are.

He has spent more tax $$ on travel for his family and friends than any preceding pres.

He has lowered the country's moral standard by his behavior and lack of personal responsibility.

Having oral sex (on the job) is one thing, lying under oath is another. Sorry repeating myself here.

He has done more to divide the county along party lines, race & social economic status than any president in recent history.

Sorry, in my opinion for whatever good he has done, his failures have outweighed them.

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« Reply #54 on: December 15, 2000, 04:21:00 PM »
How very...............typical.

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« Reply #55 on: December 15, 2000, 04:48:00 PM »
Hi Nash!

You speak of the improvements for the minority and less priveledged in our nation, and give Clinton/Gore credit for the improvement.

I'm sorry, but I can assure you that they only stayed out of the way of the most dynamic economic growth period our nation has ever seen. In other words, they didn't get in the way with their policies, they just took political credit for it as any sitting Pres/Vice would do regardless of which party affiliation they enjoy.

Now, I do not know how you make your living, so let me tell you how I make mine. My company is a 400 million dollar commercial developement firm that directly and indirectly is responsible for the employment of  over 2000 people...we build and manage Shopping Centers/Office buildings.

My employees and the diverse group of retail/service tenants which I lease to, their capital investments along with the contribution each and every one of them makes to our economy, not to mention the ideas born and carried out by them as well, is directly responsible for the economic growth our country has seen.

There has not been one, not one, Clinton/Gore born idea or policy which has related to our growth or profitability throughout their entire term in office.

I wait for a specific Non-Republican, Clinton/Gore original thought or policy which would have impacted my company or the US economy in general.

In closing, I would like to thank Alan Greenspan for providing an atmosphere under which capital was freed for the sole purpose of investment, growth and the nurturing of new ideas.

Bye Bye

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PS...One last thing...can you say The Technology Sector?

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« Reply #56 on: December 15, 2000, 05:03:00 PM »
Heyas Ice!

And I'm sure your "400 million dollar commercial developement firm" has done wonders for the underpriveledged with regard to education, health and welfare.

More often than not, social concerns having to do with the underpriveledged are created and supported *despite* big business. The booming economy therefore is not the sole factor in helping that segment of society as you'd have me believe. Belive it or not, not everyone was invited to that party.

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« Reply #57 on: December 15, 2000, 05:05:00 PM »
BS..Clinton and Gore have been in the White house for 8 years and they haven't done much to change the "lifestyle of the underprivileged" so what makes you think 4 more years would be any different?

Nash if you read my post you will see I said they haven't done MUCH to help the underprivileged. I didn't say they didn't do anything just not enough to warrant putting up with him for 4 more years.

The question I asked was a simple one(at least I thought it was)but you seem be having problems with it.

Let me rephrase it..What has Gore promised in his campaign that would make the underprivileged feel he would help them more in the next 4 years?

If I used words that are to big for you let me know I'll try to use smaller ones and speak slower. I can even throw in "Eh" every once in a while if that will help.
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« Reply #58 on: December 15, 2000, 05:11:00 PM »
 
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If you want me to answer my own question then fine..They have done NOTHING.

Not "much", Mighty, NOTHING.

And now since you don't like my answer your asking me what Gore promised in his campaign?

Yer saying I'm having troubles with yer question..... I answered the bloody question. Have YOU got anything to say about it? Have YOU got anything to add? Do YOU care dispute it?

Perhaps throw in a "Clinton is a lying bastige" for good measure?

Again, u still aint sayin' anything here. Par.

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« Reply #59 on: December 15, 2000, 06:06:00 PM »
"Clinton is a lying bastige"

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