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Offline Westy

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« Reply #15 on: September 08, 2005, 10:55:43 AM »
A lot of lower income and the elderly will be eating meals of peanut butter and ritz crackers this winter for sure.  Why? Because the rest of thier money will be sucked up by this profiteer driven "market" just to keep from freezing to death (literally).   In the meantime record quarterly profits will continue to break the previous benchmarks.  

 I imagine this is where we'll see the neo-cons conveniently shove aside thier "Christian values" to invoke the name of Darwin and utter shallow words of "but that's capitalism and the free market."
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« Reply #16 on: September 08, 2005, 11:36:57 AM »
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Besides, how to does cutting CONNECTICUT heating oil tax affect someone from Texas? Why would you even care?

I thought you were asking for a federal or nationwide subsidy, if you just meant your state you are right I don't care.

I do care about the notion that tax RATES should vary based upon ANY criteria, everyone should pay the same rate no matter what. Variable rates was part of Marx's manifesto.
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« Reply #17 on: September 08, 2005, 11:44:56 AM »
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I imagine this is where we'll see the neo-cons conveniently shove aside thier "Christian values" to invoke the name of Darwin and utter shallow words of "but that's capitalism and the free market."

Capitalism fails when there are barriers that  prevent the entry into the marketplace of competitors.

Do you think that it is legal for me to rent a tanker and buy a chitload of the Venezuelan gasoline for $0.05 cents a gallon and bring it here to sell for $2.00? THAT is capitalism and "free-marketism". But that would put a dent in the profiteering of Exxon/Shell/BP/etc. and upset many millionaires and their lobbyists. it would also send the stock of "Edbert pertoleum Inc." through the roof enabling me to get even more tankers and so on and so on. But it is in violation of our laws to do that.

So I am in agreement with a great deal of your point, our corrupt politicians have rigged the system to enrich themselves and their cronies, but we are to blame for keeping the 95+% recitivism...errr...re-election rate in place for them.
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« Reply #18 on: September 08, 2005, 01:56:13 PM »
Florida nor California will soften up on gas prices, too many roads to maintain..
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« Reply #19 on: September 08, 2005, 02:18:44 PM »
"we are to blame for keeping the 95+% recitivism...errr...re-election rate"

Too true.     :(
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« Reply #20 on: September 08, 2005, 02:24:09 PM »
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I am completely against decreasing fuel tax or releasing any fuel from the National Reserve.

Part of me LIKES having the prices as they are, maybe it will be enough to finally encourage us to get away from an oil based economy a find alternative sources.

We should of woke up during the 70s gas shortage, but instead we are driving SUVs, some of which only get 10-15 miles per gallon (and some, amazingly less).

All of the above said, they should eliminate all the tax on all distillate fuels (diesel and heating oil). This way, the price of goods does not 'trickle down' to show the increased costs for fuel truckers are paying, it would allow the price of goods to remain constant and encourage the economy to grow.

Heating oil is also a distillate fuel and should not be taxed at this time, or only taxed after a certain number of gallons per year, for obvious reasons.



Agree:)
But in the 70's a wise man tried to get the country to see the light . His name was Carter. But because he was a dem his idea was shot down............Had our leaders only listened to him.
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« Reply #21 on: September 08, 2005, 02:26:19 PM »
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Originally posted by Westy
A lot of lower income and the elderly will be eating meals of peanut butter and ritz crackers this winter for sure.  Why? Because the rest of thier money will be sucked up by this profiteer driven "market" just to keep from freezing to death (literally).   In the meantime record quarterly profits will continue to break the previous benchmarks.  

 I imagine this is where we'll see the neo-cons conveniently shove aside thier "Christian values" to invoke the name of Darwin and utter shallow words of "but that's capitalism and the free market."



Ummm Westy I think you missed that  "Christian Values" were shoved aside quite some time ago. :(
And I have a picture of Jesus walking his pet dinosaur if you are interested:)
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« Reply #22 on: September 08, 2005, 02:31:05 PM »
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I thought you were asking for a federal or nationwide subsidy, if you just meant your state you are right I don't care.

I do care about the notion that tax RATES should vary based upon ANY criteria, everyone should pay the same rate no matter what. Variable rates was part of Marx's manifesto.



You are aware the we subsidize many industries? You do know that were it not for our military overseas portecting the oil companies interests they would not be raping us now? How about we just cap the profit margin for them? The nation is hurting and they are gouging us for their stock holders.Oil isnt an option it is a necessity. The obscene profits will not trickle down to us as this admin wants us to believe.
 Or better yet how about we pay the same price Kuwait pays pre gallon.
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« Reply #23 on: September 08, 2005, 02:32:48 PM »
good thing we spilled all that blood for oil.... imagine where we would be otherwise.

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« Reply #24 on: September 08, 2005, 04:36:50 PM »
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You are aware the we subsidize many industries? You do know that were it not for our military overseas portecting the oil companies interests they would not be raping us now? How about we just cap the profit margin for them? The nation is hurting and they are gouging us for their stock holders.Oil isnt an option it is a necessity. The obscene profits will not trickle down to us as this admin wants us to believe.
 Or better yet how about we pay the same price Kuwait pays pre gallon.



yeah if bush were not a fool/in the pocket of the oil companies he would cap gas prices.


what a disaster the guy is.


(still though, I doubt Kerry would be any better)

Both parties suck.
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« Reply #25 on: September 08, 2005, 04:41:06 PM »
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Both parties suck.


Can I hear a...

AMEN!

I'm sick to death of only having 2 voices in our government.
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« Reply #26 on: September 08, 2005, 04:48:54 PM »
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yeah if bush were not a fool/in the pocket of the oil companies he would cap gas prices.


Wow, can you get any dumber?  


You do realize that if they cap gas prices, gas stations would stop selling it altogether.


I'd rather have expensive gas then no gas.
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« Reply #27 on: September 08, 2005, 04:54:55 PM »
This is supposed to be the new kinder gentler Oclub lazer, grow up.

They have capped them in the past and the world did not end.
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« Reply #28 on: September 08, 2005, 05:53:19 PM »
Umm, not everyone can afford to buy a new hybrid vehicle,  Delirium.  Im pretty sure a vast majority of the driving population is stuck with what they are driving until the payments are done.

I beleive the laws of youre states require the taxes to be posted at the pump, also.
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« Reply #29 on: September 08, 2005, 06:25:09 PM »
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yeah if bush were not a fool/in the pocket of the oil companies he would cap gas prices.

what a disaster the guy is.

(still though, I doubt Kerry would be any better)

Both parties suck.


Thought Bush make his money in oil? Understandable that nothing is being done about the excess profits being made.

Does anyone remember the '70s oil crisis? Did the price rise as rapidly as it has now?
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