Author Topic: N.O. weapons (Read 637 times)

Gh0stFT · « **Reply #15 on:** September 08, 2005, 04:47:58 PM »

I'm 37, i didnt owned or fired a real gun, absolute no need here.
But after seeing the news, in N.O. i wouldnt walk around without a weapon (gun).
Looks like at war, very very dangerous. And i can understand both
sides the PD and the citizens.

GtoRA2 · « **Reply #16 on:** September 08, 2005, 04:56:28 PM »

Well ghost, if you were in N.O you would be prey then. The guns are only a symptom of a bigger problem in N.O.

Toad · « **Reply #17 on:** September 08, 2005, 05:05:29 PM »

I don't think we should be suprised by what happened.

In a city where police cannot operate to hold the criminals in check (in this case because of the hurricane), this stuff is a natural result.

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'Criminal class'

"The looters, rapists, and murderers who have terrorized New Orleans ... began their post-Katrina reign of terror a full day before the situation grew truly desperate -- and it was their increasingly lawless behavior that kept willing but unarmed professional and volunteer rescue workers away from the city and from the poor people who needed saving. ...

"Katrina didn't turn innocent citizens into desperate criminals. [Last] week's looters ... are the same depraved individuals who have pushed New Orleans' murder rate to several multiples above the national average in normal times. ...

"In New Orleans, killers and other violent criminals remain free, because in many cases, they aren't arrested or tried; conviction rates remain abysmal. ... Witnesses and crime victims in the inner city fear to come forward: they know that even if a criminal winds up arrested, his associates will be free to intimidate them.

"On a normal day, those who make up New Orleans' dangerous criminal class ... terrorize their own communities. Once in a while, a spectacular crime makes headlines. ... But day in and day out, New Orleans' black criminal class victimizes other blacks."

--Former New Orleans resident Nicole Gelinas, writing on "A Perfect Storm of Lawlessness," Thursday in City Journal Online at http://www.city-journal.org

Jackal1 · « **Reply #18 on:** September 08, 2005, 05:37:25 PM »

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Originally posted by Chairboy
BTW, still haven't seen any stories verifying this quote, can anyone provide a link? The specific wording may be important.

It was in a live interview this morning on CNN. Check their website you might be able to "verify" what I quoted him as saying. I would imagine they will replay it numerous times. At least they have every thing else.
I have a pretty fair grasp on the language.

I quoted him and didn`t even need someone to translate it.
I`ll try to capture and record a live feed just for you next time.

Slacka · « **Reply #19 on:** September 08, 2005, 06:14:53 PM »

New Orleans has been under a form of Martial Law since Last week. It's why the National Guard/swat/police have been able to shoot to kill and have killed over 50 thugs.

It's called State of Emergency, it gives police/gov't a lot more power than normal.

Louisiana state constitution doesn't allow for True Martial law, but it's close enough.

I live outside of New Orleans and the local news explained it all.

Jackal1 · « **Reply #20 on:** September 08, 2005, 07:49:18 PM »

According to this marshal law has not been declared.
If it was declared I beleive the PD Superintendent would be completely out of the loop and as of now he certainly doesn`t have the power to rewrite laws.

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WASHINGTON (CNN) -- A catastrophe such as Hurricane Katrina has shown how lines of authority can become blurred when it comes to handling an emergency. CNN spoke with a number of legal experts to discuss the law governing the removal of residents from New Orleans.

Q. Has martial law been declared in Louisiana?

A. No.

"People are using that term far too loosely," said Duke University School of Law professor Scott Silliman. "Martial law can only be imposed by a governor or the president of the United States when there is a total absence of any governing authority (meaning no courts, etc). Martial law allows the federal military to come in to preserve the country."

This has not happened.

Q. Who declares the authority to forcibly remove residents in New Orleans?

A. Louisiana Gov. Kathleen Blanco.

The governor is given broad authority under the Louisiana Homeland Security and Emergency Assistance and Disaster Act. It allows her to "direct and compel" the evacuation of all or part of the population from any stricken or threatened area within the state if life is at stake or if such evacuation is necessary for the mitigation of, response to, and recovery from a disaster.

A public health emergency prompted Gov. Blanco to declare a state of emergency on August 29, 2005. The declaration allows her to use the National Guard for purposes including law enforcement. Note that she does not have the power to use federal troops; only the National Guard. This police power is always found in state law and can be used for public health emergencies when lives are in danger. Gov. Blanco also has the authority to direct New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin to use the National Guard and police to forcibly remove New Orleans residents because of the public health dangers arising from toxic waters, Silliman said.

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more here

Slacka · « **Reply #21 on:** September 09, 2005, 12:37:23 AM »

That's what i'm talking about.

The rule books go out the window under her declaration of emergency. They can impose on freedoms and they can kill looters on sight if the looter won't cooperate. But once the city is no longer under emergency, wrongful shootings will be investigated.

It's similar to martial law it's just that it's the national guard and not the US Army doing it. IE Freedoms being taken away.

It also allows police to do whatever needs to be done.

As I said, Louisiana State Consitution doesn't allow True Martial Law. They would have to amend it. This is as much Martial Law as the state constitution allows.

Jackal1 · « **Reply #22 on:** September 09, 2005, 12:30:52 PM »

Man, my spelling really sucks.

Furball · « **Reply #23 on:** September 09, 2005, 12:33:58 PM »

irony.

Edbert · « **Reply #24 on:** September 09, 2005, 12:36:37 PM »

http://tradecraft.us/Videos/NewOrleansGunConfiscationSmall.avi

Iceman24 · « **Reply #25 on:** September 09, 2005, 01:00:00 PM »

If martial law had been declared or COULD have been declared the police wouldn't even be arguing with that guy in the pic, he would already have been hog tied and thrown in the truck. To me the answer is simple, if those idiots want to stay there LET THEM, they are obviously not smart enough to deserve the right to live with the rest of the world. I don't know when the US decided it would start to do anything it could to save stupid people. If you don't have enough common sense to leave there if you can then you really deserve what happens to you if you don't. Lets get real here for a min, the people of NO knew about the hurricane, its not like it popped up in mid of the night, all the intelligent people grabbed there important stuff and left when they were still calling it a very strong level 5 cane. This situation would have been so worse if the hurricane would have stayed a 5 and not dropped to a 4 when it did.