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« Reply #30 on: September 13, 2005, 01:03:54 PM »
The "best America" is never going to happen now, IMO.

It can't happen given the overpowering nature of the Federal government.

Jefferson's fears have been realized.

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"The true theory of our Constitution is surely the wisest and best ... When all government ... shall be drawn to Washington as the centre of all power, it will render powerless the checks provided of one government on another, and will become as ... oppressive as the government from which we just separated." - Thomas Jefferson



We're not quite there yet but you can see the gates of hell from here.
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« Reply #31 on: September 13, 2005, 01:16:53 PM »
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I don't think Jefferson ever thought the States would become this subservient to the Federal government.


The feds give them an offer they can't refuse. I remember one instance where Reagan(not to be partisan, this is just one of many from both sides) withheld federal highway funds unless the states raised the drinking age to 21. I am no expert on this, but shouldn't that be illegal where it's the people from the states who actually pay federal taxes in the first place?
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« Reply #32 on: September 13, 2005, 01:30:15 PM »
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The feds give them an offer they can't refuse. I remember one instance where Reagan(not to be partisan, this is just one of many from both sides) withheld federal highway funds unless the states raised the drinking age to 21. I am no expert on this, but shouldn't that be illegal where it's the people from the states who actually pay federal taxes in the first place?


So true, this was one of the few things he did that I vehamently disagreed with. The feds do this quite often and it can only be called political blackmail. This is the legacy of the New Deal, The Great Society and things like title 9. We pump federal money into the states to help them with things like education and roads and then they stop allocating their own tax money to these things to the point that they are extreamly dependent on the federal DOLE. If the feds want something done all they need now do is threaten to withhold funds.

We should all look to the example of Cob County GA. A county that takes no federal assistance at all.

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« Reply #33 on: September 13, 2005, 03:39:44 PM »
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I predict your liberal representatives will confirm Judge Robertson, by and large, in spite of your assertion that he is a rookie. Can you explain this?


As a matter of fact I can..

If both political parties vote along party lines..  then he will be confirmed..

its a simple matter of who controls congress..  As of current the republican party (my party..  Yeah im a flaming liberal you nitz....Im a republican..**) has majority..

In the case of Bolton you had republican decent becuase quite frankly Bolton's track record is less than perfect..

In the case of roberts as i said earlier I do not disagree with his view or see him a unqualified canidate (stop putting words in my mouth, always this feeble tactic.. pathetic..)

here is what i said again.  for the sweet pickles bus non reading imparied..


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personally i dont think roberts is really out of line or a poor canidate.. but when as a rookie he is nominated for chief justice that questions the credibility of the presidents choice..


Thats what I said..   And as far as a rookie...  how long has he been a justice of the supreme court...  0 is the answer.. otherwise known as a rookie.. He was a outstanding clerk..  An outstanding trial lawyer.. but supreme court  justice no...  

thats what im saying..  He is very young.. (to his credit i say this..) and as a result I see the angle of trying to get him into the Supremes especially as the chief justice..  Its clearly political..  by all means appoint him.. have him work his way up to the chief position..  But to appoint him to chief wet behind the ears is clearly partisan..

As a President that claims to be a uniter..  this manuever (yes its a tactical manuever) is clearly imo going to wrong direction and sending the wrong message to the demo / dumbocrats.. (i would have compromised on the first nomination.. and a ron jeremy production on the second nomination with the backing of the demo's unless they would want to renig (a trap for the upcomming congress election that i set by doing such..), but thats me, its called tact.. / compromise)(I suggest you study Ben Franklin..)

as such the next appointment will be fought tooth and nail by all parties at the cost of the credibility of the executive , congress and the supreme judiciary.  At these times such foolishness is not needed and instead compromise for all political parties should be paramount for the prosperity of our nation..

**what many of you fail to realize is that you are all members of the American Party by default..  if you dont like that..  leave our country..  No individual is going to be some drone or cog for some political party and still have their freewill as per the founders of this country.  You can be democrat and have Republican Ideals and vice versa.. so the stereotypical liberal this liberal that .. conservative this or conservative that.. thats BS and you know it..  A political party is like a union..  Use it for strength in numbers when they agree upon same line as you.. but if you disagree on those lines there are no rules that prohibit your own choice or freewill, or are there you tell me..?

you call me a liberal.. or you allure to it.

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=liberal

Read that and tell me whats wrong with those principles..  half of you people on these boards / elsewhere misuse this word on a daily basis because your ignorant.. (ignorant is not bad so dont take it as a insult {another misused word i might add} )

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=Conservative

Read that and tell whats wrong with those principles of thought either..  

trust me when i tell you most people of the USA fall under both of those definitions..  care to argue this? rebuttal?  

Welcome to the American Party...



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« Reply #34 on: September 13, 2005, 06:02:01 PM »
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As a matter of fact I can..

If both political parties vote along party lines.. then he will be confirmed..  - Doc Yo


I was wondering why you think that Democrats will confirm Judge Roberts?
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« Reply #35 on: September 13, 2005, 06:09:54 PM »
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Thats what I said.. And as far as a rookie... how long has he been a justice of the supreme court... 0 is the answer.. otherwise known as a rookie.. He was a outstanding clerk.. An outstanding trial lawyer.. but supreme court justice no...


My freind, the Supreme Judicial Court doesn't operate on the seniority system.  All of them know that.  You are witnessing the wisdom of our Constitution.
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« Reply #36 on: September 13, 2005, 06:10:17 PM »
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Originally posted by Nash
But the Constitution itself is a legal document.

If not up for "interpretation" by the SC, then by whom?

If Congress passes laws not in accordance with the Constitution, and if the Judiciary cannot - for lack of a better term - call the dudes on it, then what prevents the Constitution's complete erosion?

Who then upholds it?

In whose hands would you entrust with it?


From another thread....

I believe you are referring to the Kentucky and Virginia Resolutions offered by Madison and Jefferson around 1800.

They stated if the federal government oversteps it's authority, (by creating unconstitutional laws) then the STATES may declare them null and void. Called Nullification. The STATES may do it, not the individuals holed up in Mt. Carmel.

It further goes on to say that the STATES in such a position are under obligation to stay between the Feds and the Citizenry in order to protect them. (citizens) Interposition.

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« Reply #37 on: September 13, 2005, 06:14:25 PM »
I'd liked what I saw in the hearings so far. He strikes me as intelligent and honest. 2 things I would like from a supreme court justice.

How is it that he can be the cheif justice (not that it matters) though, I thought that was usually done by seniority but I have no idea.

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« Reply #38 on: September 13, 2005, 06:32:57 PM »
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I'd liked what I saw in the hearings so far. He strikes me as intelligent and honest. 2 things I would like from a supreme court justice.

How is it that he can be the cheif justice (not that it matters) though, I thought that was usually done by seniority but I have no idea.



IIRC the president could nominate one of the current justices to replace reinquist or nominate a new one.  It's up to him.

Personally I have to agree with your assesment of Roberts.  He seems like a smart, decent, honest man.

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« Reply #39 on: September 13, 2005, 06:47:35 PM »
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IIRC the president could nominate one of the current justices to replace reinquist or nominate a new one.  It's up to him.

Personally I have to agree with your assesment of Roberts.  He seems like a smart, decent, honest man.


Then who votes on it? Who decides? I would guess maybe the Senate or the justices themselves.

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« Reply #40 on: September 13, 2005, 07:01:15 PM »
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Then who votes on it? Who decides? I would guess maybe the Senate or the justices themselves.


Nope IIRC it is the Judicial committe in the Senate then Allows the vote to go to the floor.

The senate votes than Confirms him.

The other justices have nothing to do with it.