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Offline Munkii

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Brown not completely honest?
« on: September 12, 2005, 01:34:35 PM »
I'm not sure what exactly is truthful in this article.  I'm assuming since it came from TIME it's semi-reliable.  I just a have a question that I honestly don't know.  Is the Director of FEMA a politcal appointee?  If so, did anyone know about all of this or is this new news so to speak.

http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1103003,00.html

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« Reply #1 on: September 12, 2005, 01:44:32 PM »
Let me break it down for you.

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I'm not sure what exactly is truthful in this article.  I'm assuming since it came from TIME it's semi-reliable.  

In todays environment, one can never be sure. Though TIME's reputation is so far untarnished.
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I just a have a question that I honestly don't know.  Is the Director of FEMA a politcal appointee?  

Yes.
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If so, did anyone know about all of this or is this new news so to speak.


I wonder how many people of all levels could withstand a serious investigation of their resume. Padding, embelishing and the like is a common practice. It is even encouraged in many a 'resume creation' handbook. In the private sector these embelishments can be weeded out during the interview process. I have a feeling that much of this gets 'overlooked' in the public sector.

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« Reply #2 on: September 12, 2005, 01:45:38 PM »
There have been several articles in written about this. It appears brown made himself out to have more responsibilities and power in a previous job that he in fact was only an assistant.

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« Reply #3 on: September 12, 2005, 01:48:03 PM »
THIS JUST IN:  Directors do more budget work than anything else

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« Reply #4 on: September 12, 2005, 01:50:32 PM »
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I wonder how many people of all levels could withstand a serious investigation of their resume. Padding, embelishing and the like is a common practice. It is even encouraged in many a 'resume creation' handbook. In the private sector these embelishments can be weeded out during the interview process. I have a feeling that much of this gets 'overlooked' in the public sector.


I would agree with you, infact I'm assuming that most of the Political Appointee's have hardly anything to do with their position anymore.  I'm not sure who started the trend, but I'm not really concerned.  It's very frustrating, but it's the people under them that don't get any recognition but do all the work I'm happy about.  I'm not overly worried about it now that I know he is an appointee, he probably doesn't do much but show up to fundraisers anyways.

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« Reply #5 on: September 12, 2005, 02:00:22 PM »
Well He just resigned.

Now we are going to hear all sorts of finger pointing from the left over his resignation when a week ago they were asking Bush to fire him.

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« Reply #6 on: September 12, 2005, 02:08:16 PM »
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I would agree with you, infact I'm assuming that most of the Political Appointee's have hardly anything to do with their position anymore.  I'm not sure who started the trend, but I'm not really concerned.  It's very frustrating, but it's the people under them that don't get any recognition but do all the work I'm happy about.  I'm not overly worried about it now that I know he is an appointee, he probably doesn't do much but show up to fundraisers anyways.


I'm sure that resume padding has been around as long as the resumes have been around. I'll admit that I've been had on this one myself. I've interviewed many a person for junior and mid-level technical positions and  had a few get through that looked good until you actually put them to work. That's what the probationary period is for.

Problem is that when you get into the upper management positions, and this goes for government too. It turns into less of a "right person for the job' thing than a 'i don't want anyone to know I screwed up' thing. I've seen numerous cases of a Director or VP hired on for a 6 figure salary and the guys a blithering idiot. Now, no one wants to admit that fact, especially the guy/gal who made the hiring decision in the first place.  We are going through this at my employer now. Our current President was hired for reasons 'other' than his knowledge of our industry or management skills. After 18 months he has been quietly 'reassigned' to other responsibilities. It would have been to embarassing for a powerfull individual to just fire his incompetant arse.

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« Reply #7 on: September 12, 2005, 02:14:26 PM »
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I'm sure that resume padding has been around as long as the resumes have been around. I'll admit that I've been had on this one myself. I've interviewed many a person for junior and mid-level technical positions and  had a few get through that looked good until you actually put them to work. That's what the probationary period is for.


I have a problem with not putting enough on my resume.  I usually get little piddly jobs during the summer since I'm a student, then just do contract painting in the evenings and weekends during the school year.  I never really bother to put down the piddly jobs on the resume, and it actually costs me.  I worked for Midland Mortgage for a while and it would be a great experience to put down, but I forgot all the details of the company I worked for. (It was through a temp agency) Midland cannot confirm my employment because technically I never worked for them.

Back on topic, I'm not happy he resigned, because he should have at least some accountability for anything that might have went wrong in the relief effort.  I personally don't know what or if anything else could have been done, I'm not in that position of power for a reason.  I do know that with his resignation, any accountabilty for any faults in the response will not hinder him in any way, unless of course we go for the head of Homeland Security, since FEMA is under them now.  Oh well, more wasted tax dollars investigating something that will never go anywhere instead of fixing things that can be fixed.

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« Reply #8 on: September 12, 2005, 02:20:06 PM »
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I have a problem with not putting enough on my resume.  I usually get little piddly jobs during the summer since I'm a student, then just do contract painting in the evenings and weekends during the school year.  I never really bother to put down the piddly jobs on the resume, and it actually costs me.  I worked for Midland Mortgage for a while and it would be a great experience to put down, but I forgot all the details of the company I worked for. (It was through a temp agency) Midland cannot confirm my employment because technically I never worked for them.

Back on topic, I'm not happy he resigned, because he should have at least some accountability for anything that might have went wrong in the relief effort.  I personally don't know what or if anything else could have been done, I'm not in that position of power for a reason.  I do know that with his resignation, any accountabilty for any faults in the response will not hinder him in any way, unless of course we go for the head of Homeland Security, since FEMA is under them now.  Oh well, more wasted tax dollars investigating something that will never go anywhere instead of fixing things that can be fixed.


Usually a persons resignation (in situations like this) IS a self admittence of failure

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« Reply #9 on: September 12, 2005, 02:20:53 PM »
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Well He just resigned.

Now we are going to hear all sorts of finger pointing from the left over his resignation when a week ago they were asking Bush to fire him.


Ahh, 'tis a good thing though. At least he was man enough to "take one for the team'. One thing I think GW has that is a fault is that he can be too loyal to his people. There are time when you just have to cut your losses.

I don't think the Libs are gonna get much traction on this event anyways. The public just isn't buying it. Once the facts come out I think we will all see that there were failures at all levels. Especially the fact that it was overlooked at all levels that the 1st responders could be as much victims of the event as anyone else. Only government could miss this obvious truth.

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« Reply #10 on: September 12, 2005, 02:23:39 PM »
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Usually a persons resignation (in situations like this) IS a self admittence of failure


Gunny is quite correct. Once you get above a certain level you really do not get fired. You are politely asked to submit your resignation. It helps to keep the lawyers in their holes.

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« Reply #11 on: September 12, 2005, 02:24:47 PM »
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Usually a persons resignation (in situations like this) IS a self admittence of failure



When is the medal ceremony?
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« Reply #12 on: September 12, 2005, 03:09:17 PM »
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When is the medal ceremony?


I would say never smart ass

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« Reply #13 on: September 12, 2005, 04:17:21 PM »
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I would say never smart bellybutton



Well Guns a great American has resigned. Off you go Brownie... Thanks for lying on your resume...

Now really, When is that medal ceremony?:)

Isnt it a crime to lie on your resume to the feds?
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« Reply #14 on: September 12, 2005, 05:12:55 PM »
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Well Guns a great American has resigned. Off you go Brownie... Thanks for lying on your resume...

Now really, When is that medal ceremony?:)

Isnt it a crime to lie on your resume to the feds?


I wondered about the medal myself. lol

As far as I know he didn't lie as to the job titles he just exaggerated his responsibilities he had at them.