Author Topic: HO'ing 101 (Read 1235 times)

Phaser11 · « **on:** September 13, 2005, 07:47:00 AM »

Worth Mentioning
I keep hearing the best way to deal with a HO is to avoid it. Well that is easier said than done. You will only avoid about 50% to 60% of HO’s if the other pilot is bent on doing it. The HO is not just a 1-pass option. Every turn the person will try it again and again and again.
Yes, yes there are thousands of ACM’s to beat the HO, but they will not work all the time. A dedicated HO specialist will get you no matter what you try. I have seen guys get on my six, miss and miss then break, I turn to chase, they go up and over….smack right in the nose.
I started congratulating these gamers with some witty line like, “Nice HO you looser, nitwit, bacon stealing, non pilot…..” well you get the picture. The answer is always the same, “it was a deflection shot” or “You where just out flown” and so on. Where this could be very true, I have come to the point in this “GAME” where it just doesn’t matter.
The best advice is to avoid the HO or share the love and send some back. You’re only going to avoid half the HO’s anyway. Call your squad, the local guys and gals on your side and offer a reward to the person who gets the whatever that HO’d you. I found the offer of free beer would usually do the trick.

Here are some questions (with my answers in them)

Do you HO? Yes
Do you avoid the HO? Yes
Do you HO all the time? No
Do you HO when no one is looking? I don’t think you can do that.
DO you HO bombers? Yes
Do you HO Fighters? Yes
Do you HO vehicles? Yes
What else have you HO’ed? Ducks, Pheasants and other upland game birds
If Hoing were against the rules would you still do it? Yes
Have you been to any classes to be a HO? No
Have you Hoed with anyone out side of this game? Hmmmmm
Have you ever been arrested for Hoing anyone? No

That’s it! Hoing is against the law!

I AM LOOSING MY MIND! …drool

Wilbus · « **Reply #1 on:** September 13, 2005, 08:06:52 AM »

Well phaser, gonna say this in a nice way... you are wrong. Totally and completly wrong. 50% - 60% you think. I avoid pretty much 99.9% of all HO's directed at me. It has to do with judging the situation, know what he plans to do and do something to counter it. Head ons are easy to avoid unles you are flying very slow (coming around in a loop or such), and if you are very slow and get HO:ed it's your own fault and you deserve to die.

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The HO is not just a 1-pass option. Every turn the person will try it again and again and again.

The meaning of air-combat is to get on your opponents six and shoot him down where he is defenceless. If you fail this you will die or keep going back to your HO:ing (and then die, be it you may take the other guy with you). If he keeps getting a HO shot, you are doing something wrong.

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A dedicated HO specialist will get you no matter what you try.

Wrong

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You’re only going to avoid half the HO’s anyway.

Wrong

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The answer is always the same, “it was a deflection shot” or “You where just out flown” and so on.

A HO would be defined as to when both planes have guns on eachother. A shot from 20 degree above and front is not a HO, it's a deflection shot.
A shot after a Rope where you are hanging and stalling out is not a AH, it's a rope.
A shot from the front quarter (not counting when both have guns on eachother) is not a HO.
Anything else when both don't have guns or very close to on is not a HO.

As for question:

Do you HO? NO
Do you avoid the HO? YES
Do you HO all the time? Read #1
Do you HO when no one is looking? Can be done if they are AFK but again read #1
DO you HO bombers? YES (#1 doesn't apply here)
Do you HO Fighters? NO
Do you HO vehicles? I shoot em from whatever direction may be best so I guess YES (#1 doesn't apply here either)

What else have you HO’ed? Insects when driving a car and bikecycling. Those HO:s I always win though.

If Hoing were against the rules would you still do it? NO
Have you been to any classes to be a HO? NO
Have you Hoed with anyone out side of this game? Ran into people not sure if that counts.
Have you ever been arrested for Hoing anyone? NO

Last thing... you're wrong

If you want it proven I'll gladly go to DA with you and let you head on me all the best you can. Best out of 10 flights, same plane. You won't kill me in a single HO pass.

Westy · « **Reply #2 on:** September 13, 2005, 08:13:58 AM »

Thanks Lephturn! (wonder what he's been up to ???)

Anyway. Here is the quintessential expose' on handling HO's:

Avoid the HO
http://users.eastlink.ca/~sconrad/hodefense.htm

Read it. Practice it! And just plain quit your (your= anyone who whines 'bout HO's) little girl hissy fits about em.

Phaser11 · « **Reply #3 on:** September 13, 2005, 08:22:07 AM »

Hehehehehehe

I love this subject! Sorry no date Wilbus.

SirLoin · « **Reply #4 on:** September 13, 2005, 08:35:26 AM »

Fly a CHOG.

Turn tracers off.

Set convergence to max distance(eg 650)

Mute CH200.

Start pourin the lead at 1.7 and break off the HO at -800.

Don't feel

one bit.

dedalos · « **Reply #5 on:** September 13, 2005, 09:15:39 AM »

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Originally posted by Wilbus

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A dedicated HO specialist will get you no matter what you try.
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Wrong

I may be a little rusty, but its all I did for 6 months on my first year here. Wana give it a try (I could be wrong)? You have no chance against a HO pro especially if he is in a turn fighter.

Wilbus · « **Reply #6 on:** September 13, 2005, 09:15:41 AM »

Thought so Phaser

Wilbus · « **Reply #7 on:** September 13, 2005, 09:53:05 AM »

Sure thing Dedalos!

When are you online?

jaxxo · « **Reply #8 on:** September 13, 2005, 10:16:42 AM »

i would have to agree that avoiding the ho all the time is impossible, especially if there is 2 or 3 enemas. Technically any shot not 100% head is on is not a ho..however i consider a ho any attempt by the enemy to bring you into a headon firing solution..when i pull out of a head on pass and into my merge and the guys shoots i still think its a ho..but thats just me. i have been experimenting with firing back and found it to be alot more effective than just pulling away, let em know your there...

loony1 · « **Reply #9 on:** September 13, 2005, 10:23:09 AM »

I gripe about the HO alot manly because i feel it is a, for the most part, a useles tactic. If you win the HO all the better for you but most times both planes take damage. If i am up furballing I am looking to get a bunch of kills and rtb. If i HO someone and take damage then it shortens my time flying and killing. What do i consider a HO Dweeb. If i am merging with a plane and at about 1.2k i begin to spin, dive, climb, whatever i can to avoid the HO and they start spraying away with there cannons when i haven't even fired a shot. Don't try to give me this "it takes 2 to HO" crap. If both planes are merging and blasting away thats where the quote applys. if 1 is blasting away and the other is trying everything to avoid it then thats not 2 people HOing But This Is A Game and the fact that you can lose a HO and be back in the fight in seconds gives some guys A free ticket to HO.

Do I ever HO Yes (if i have no choice or at a vulched field)
Do i avoid the HO Yes ( i will try to avoid almost every HO)

oh well thats just my two cents.

Guppy35 · « **Reply #10 on:** September 13, 2005, 10:36:08 AM »

Had one last night that I thought for a sec was a HO.

I came running in on a low Hurr IIc. Saw it was a Hurri IIc and said to myself no way am I getting messed up by those 4 20mms.

He was turning into me so it looked to be a head on pass. I slid off high and left and thought I'd passed him, figuring there's no way I'm turning with him in my 38G and I'd use my speed to my advantage. Next thing I know I'm in pieces of flaming wreckage headed for the ground.

First reaction was how the heck did he get me as I'd from my perspective avoided giving him a HO.

I'd by chance had film on and went back to see. Turns out old Herblife had been able to pull his nose in further as I passed and made a heckuva snapshot, tearing me up.

First reaction was I'd somehow been head on shot. But in the end it was just a great shot despite my effort to avoid it.

I think that happens more often then just the plain old HO, although I will admit it's amazing how often you some guys start firing as you go in nose to nose at the merge.

I'm still stuck with that old AW notion of not shooting head on. Kinda dumb that way

Heretic · « **Reply #11 on:** September 13, 2005, 11:17:06 AM »

Before I was married I HO'd around all the time.

If I see tracers flying at me from 1.2K out I do my best to avoid. I will however get on this persons six and shoot them down.

I normally only HO M3's. I top shoot M8's and Osti's.

I will HO every Buff I can and then climb away for a high speed pass.

SkyRock · « **Reply #12 on:** September 13, 2005, 11:33:56 AM »

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Originally posted by Wilbus
Well phaser, gonna say this in a nice way... you are wrong. Totally and completly wrong. 50% - 60% you think. I avoid pretty much 99.9% of all HO's directed at me. It has to do with judging the situation, know what he plans to do and do something to counter it. Head ons are easy to avoid unles you are flying very slow (coming around in a loop or such), and if you are very slow and get HO:ed it's your own fault and you deserve to die.

The meaning of air-combat is to get on your opponents six and shoot him down where he is defenceless. If you fail this you will die or keep going back to your HO:ing (and then die, be it you may take the other guy with you). If he keeps getting a HO shot, you are doing something wrong.

Wrong

Wrong

A HO would be defined as to when both planes have guns on eachother. A shot from 20 degree above and front is not a HO, it's a deflection shot.
A shot after a Rope where you are hanging and stalling out is not a AH, it's a rope.
A shot from the front quarter (not counting when both have guns on eachother) is not a HO.
Anything else when both don't have guns or very close to on is not a HO.

As for question:

Do you HO? NO
Do you avoid the HO? YES
Do you HO all the time? Read #1
Do you HO when no one is looking? Can be done if they are AFK but again read #1
DO you HO bombers? YES (#1 doesn't apply here)
Do you HO Fighters? NO
Do you HO vehicles? I shoot em from whatever direction may be best so I guess YES (#1 doesn't apply here either)

What else have you HO’ed? Insects when driving a car and bikecycling. Those HO:s I always win though.

If Hoing were against the rules would you still do it? NO
Have you been to any classes to be a HO? NO
Have you Hoed with anyone out side of this game? Ran into people not sure if that counts.
Have you ever been arrested for Hoing anyone? NO

Last thing... you're wrong

If you want it proven I'll gladly go to DA with you and let you head on me all the best you can. Best out of 10 flights, same plane. You won't kill me in a single HO pass.

tHAT IS EXACTLY WHAT i WOULD HAVE SAID! I will HO however when upping vulched field and not off ground yet. I up vulched bases every chance I get. But the HO is a very weak unskilled move that way too many in here depend on.

SkyRock · « **Reply #13 on:** September 13, 2005, 11:45:17 AM »

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Originally posted by loony1
I gripe about the HO alot manly because i feel it is a, for the most part, a useles tactic. If you win the HO all the better for you but most times both planes take damage. If i am up furballing I am looking to get a bunch of kills and rtb. If i HO someone and take damage then it shortens my time flying and killing. What do i consider a HO Dweeb. If i am merging with a plane and at about 1.2k i begin to spin, dive, climb, whatever i can to avoid the HO and they start spraying away with there cannons when i haven't even fired a shot. Don't try to give me this "it takes 2 to HO" crap. If both planes are merging and blasting away thats where the quote applys. if 1 is blasting away and the other is trying everything to avoid it then thats not 2 people HOing But This Is A Game and the fact that you can lose a HO and be back in the fight in seconds gives some guys A free ticket to HO.

Do I ever HO Yes (if i have no choice or at a vulched field)
Do i avoid the HO Yes ( i will try to avoid almost every HO)

oh well thats just my two cents.

I agree with your comment that "takes two to HO" is crap. I hear certain squads use that all the "Dmned" time. THey come in looking for it, their choice of plane is centered around it, and their mentality is justifiable about it, but in the end the HO is a dweeby, unskilled tactic. lol I do occasionally find myself in situations, where I have no E in a turn or at top of loop, and I squeez off rounds at the HO guy but I try at all times to do something else. I accidentally HO'd dipstick the other day in a good fight cause I thought I had high deflection solution but by the time the rounds were hitting him he was almost dead on in front of me. So I do make mistakes in judgment but I try to be better than just a silly HO atttempt.

Zazen13 · « **Reply #14 on:** September 13, 2005, 11:51:29 AM »

If one plane has a significant manueverablility advantage it can force a pure HO, or at the very least a forward quarter deflection shot, regardless of what the other plane does. There are only three situations I will intentionally accept rather than attempt to avoid a HO.

1) The other guy is a 262
2) I roped him but he is still floundering at the top of the loop nose up, with gravity assist on my side I can get him easily on the way down with little risk to myself.
3) I have no other viable option, for some reason I was caught low and slow against plane(s) that can out-manuever me.

Zazen