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Offline Jackal1

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« Reply #15 on: September 13, 2005, 08:22:55 PM »
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Well. not YEAR round. but from spring to fall when it has leafs


Where does it go to then? :)
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« Reply #16 on: September 13, 2005, 08:28:52 PM »
If this thing had a star in the middle I'd be totally flabegasted and furious at the same time.



I can only say that since it's name is crescent it bares close resemblence wich is too much for me.  Considering this is one of the most tragic days in US history caused by people who commited this act in the name of a religion that is heavily represented by the crescent.  

It should be changed if you ask me.

Like the liberals say about racism during Katrina......I think the artist "subconicously" is trying to make a point.

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« Reply #17 on: September 13, 2005, 08:29:21 PM »
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Jesus ****ing christ.  I'm looking over the proposed designs for the flight 93 memorial, I've come to the conclusion that architects are useless to society.  And should be treated as such.



What ever happened to a ****ing monument?  Some of the most powerful memorials in the world are located in Ghettysburg.  And no architect ever had a hand in designing them.



I'm calling them up.


I'm sure they'll give your opinion all the careful consideration that it deserves.

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« Reply #18 on: September 13, 2005, 08:55:47 PM »
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Where does it go to then? :)


Yanno. I dont know. I'll ask it on the 22nd:)
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« Reply #19 on: September 13, 2005, 09:03:35 PM »
your pissed off at a red smilie face :confused:

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« Reply #20 on: September 13, 2005, 09:55:47 PM »
Hey, I've already been in contact with the Superintendent of the Building Site.

I called her up today.


She's going to call back again tomorrow.



I told them I'm an Architectural Engineer from Penn State.  I left off the "Student" part...
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« Reply #21 on: September 13, 2005, 09:59:07 PM »
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I told them I'm an Architectural Engineer from Penn State.  I left off the "Student" part...


You should consider politics. ;)
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« Reply #22 on: September 13, 2005, 10:15:03 PM »
Who says I haven't?  ;)
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« Reply #23 on: September 13, 2005, 11:59:50 PM »
Looks like it follows the topography, with cliffs (or a bluff) on the right side, and following the hillside around to the west.  The area forms a natural circle it looks like from the topo view.

I would be interested in hearing the designer's artistic statement before condemning him/her.  There may be good reasoning behind the "sculpture."  Without the statement, we don't know.

It could only be seen from the air.  The maples stand out and would form a cresent visible to aircraft.  As I said before, who knows the symbology without an artist's statement.

Not a bad design by any means, but I gotta go with inappropriate for the memorial site until I read a darn good justification from the designer/artist.

Why not make it a complete circle?  The circle is symbolic of continuance, of faith, of steadfastness, of strength, of eternity.  Symbolic of a circle that will not be broken.

Far as calling up and questioning, I would tend to get upset and might fly off the handle.  However, you gotta think about it like this.  Ask about the design and say, "I'm kinda thinking this cresent design could be misinterpreted, just so you know, and was wondering if you might have thought about this, cause I gotta say having an Islamic cresent there doesn't seem right to me."  Especially where pilots can see it.

I dunno.  I think it has the potential to upset people, unless there is a solid reason for the design being as it is, akin to it being a victory symbol...the way pilots mark up kills on their planes by using flag markings.  Don't use it unless that's what it stands for to honor those who fought back against terrorists and defeated them.  Which is what this monument is about.




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« Reply #24 on: September 14, 2005, 12:28:10 AM »
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Looks like it follows the topography, with cliffs (or a bluff) on the right side, and following the hillside around to the west.  The area forms a natural circle it looks like from the topo view.

I would be interested in hearing the designer's artistic statement before condemning him/her.  There may be good reasoning behind the "sculpture."  Without the statement, we don't know.

It could only be seen from the air.  The maples stand out and would form a cresent visible to aircraft.  As I said before, who knows the symbology without an artist's statement.

Not a bad design by any means, but I gotta go with inappropriate for the memorial site until I read a darn good justification from the designer/artist.

Why not make it a complete circle?  The circle is symbolic of continuance, of faith, of steadfastness, of strength, of eternity.  Symbolic of a circle that will not be broken.

Far as calling up and questioning, I would tend to get upset and might fly off the handle.  However, you gotta think about it like this.  Ask about the design and say, "I'm kinda thinking this cresent design could be misinterpreted, just so you know, and was wondering if you might have thought about this, cause I gotta say having an Islamic cresent there doesn't seem right to me."  Especially where pilots can see it.

I dunno.  I think it has the potential to upset people, unless there is a solid reason for the design being as it is, akin to it being a victory symbol...the way pilots mark up kills on their planes by using flag markings.  Don't use it unless that's what it stands for to honor those who fought back against terrorists and defeated them.  Which is what this monument is about.




Les


sounds to me like it's EXACTLY what some liberal artsy fartsy person wants.  Reaction.....discussion.  I bet it was done on puprose, especially after the pilot comment.  Just too much to missinturpret and alot of room to draw too much into it.

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« Reply #25 on: September 14, 2005, 12:34:24 AM »
Take a look at the slide show in this link. From the ground, it looks pretty damn cool.
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« Reply #26 on: September 14, 2005, 12:39:45 AM »
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Take a look at the slide show in this link. From the ground, it looks pretty damn cool.


I think it looks cool myself.  I think that the choice to use a resemblence of the religious icon in wich this attack was carried out in the name of is just wrong.

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« Reply #27 on: September 14, 2005, 12:42:34 AM »
I think the resemblance is overstated.


It's like saying a cross resembles a swastika.
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« Reply #28 on: September 14, 2005, 01:00:29 AM »
I don't know Guns, I'm a bohemian artist pretty much out of the mainstream art world.  Just thinking out loud.  Sorry to offend you.  It was not intentional.  



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« Reply #29 on: September 14, 2005, 02:52:41 AM »
LOL, damn, some of you are gonna have a stroke over this. It actually looks cool and when I see it from any angle, it doesn't remind me of some fundamentalist muslim terrorist organization. It does look cool.
They had some relatives of those actually on flight 93 and they like it. Perhaps their opinion on the monument is more important than ours, no?
Now if they had a symbol showing a silouette of a suicide bomber or a plane crashing into the WTC, then I'd object.
What happens when you look up at night and see a waning or waxing cresent moon? Really folks, there are far more important things to worry about.
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