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Offline dmf

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« Reply #30 on: September 15, 2005, 05:36:34 PM »
I'm going to miss the Tomcats flying over my house. The superhornet might be a newer plane, but a firend of mine told me that the Hornet can't touch the F-14 in performance

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« Reply #31 on: September 15, 2005, 06:23:43 PM »
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« Reply #32 on: September 15, 2005, 08:47:03 PM »
One only has to look back to the 1991 Gulf War to see how the Iranian Air Force would likely fare against western opposition. Its never a good thing to underestimate a potential enemy, but in all likelyhood if you are talking air to air combat the Iranians would not fare well.  

Despite the Iraqi Air Forces large fighter force, and arguably modern types, including the Mig-29, they were simply out fought. I dont beleive the Iranians are much better than the Iraqis were in air combat, so there is not much reason to think they would fare better.

Training, combat support, strategy, and tactics of western air forces is much higher, and no middle east air arm save Israel has ever demonstrated a real talent for air superiority missions. At least, not to date.

As for the F-14, I saw several at airshows, they were always a most impressive a/c. Pity she has to be retired.
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« Reply #33 on: September 15, 2005, 11:10:30 PM »
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Yes, they have plenty of them operational.

A Super Hornet will have a hard time shooting one down in a one to one fight.


yea it's a good thing most modern day air battles aren't 1 v 1 fights.  Most of them and future battles are about tactics, projection of power, and logistics.


Keep in mind an air frame is no good as a fighter if it spends most of it's time in the hanger.

I am sorry to see it go though.  Its weapon's system was truley revolutionary at the time.

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« Reply #34 on: September 15, 2005, 11:11:49 PM »
Shame to see her go - esp since she could get to Kandahar and loiter without tanking 3 times like the Super Hornet. She gave great service, and fought to the end even when the politicians who didn't have to shoulder the burden her absence would leave.

The AEGIS isn't a solution to the F-14 nor is the Superhornet - they are complementry systems, and the CBG is now the most neutered its been since Pearl Harbor.




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« Reply #35 on: September 16, 2005, 12:35:29 AM »
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I know that you silly little man :D

They have to do the job of the Tomcat.


No... that job doesn't exist any more.
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« Reply #36 on: September 16, 2005, 12:37:56 AM »
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loiter without tanking 3 times like the Super Hornet.
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Yep. Naval Air has pretty short legs these days. I'd like to see them change that somehow.
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« Reply #37 on: September 16, 2005, 12:45:39 AM »
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yea it's a good thing most modern day air battles aren't 1 v 1 fights.  M


Hmmm... when was the last time we actually had a "modern day air battle"?



Speaking of Tomcats... I just noticed that my skipper at VF-51, "Rat" Williard is now the VCNO. He was an impressive man then, but damn... he's travelled far.

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« Reply #38 on: September 16, 2005, 01:36:41 AM »
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No... that job doesn't exist any more.


So there is no plane that can or has the job to defend the fleet?

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« Reply #39 on: September 16, 2005, 01:44:15 AM »
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So there is no plane that can or has the job to defend the fleet?


LOL yeah it is called the F22!:D

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« Reply #40 on: September 16, 2005, 08:18:51 AM »
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LOL yeah it is called the F22!:D


I hate to tell ya, there is no Naval version of the F-22. The Navy doesn't like to spend money on just a few expensive planes, we'd rather get alot of less expensive planes.
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« Reply #41 on: September 16, 2005, 08:50:21 AM »
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So there is no plane that can or has the job to defend the fleet?


Defend the fleet against what?
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« Reply #42 on: September 16, 2005, 08:52:01 AM »
Attack from the air?

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« Reply #43 on: September 16, 2005, 08:56:50 AM »
Does any country have the kind of firepower that the USSR used to? Long range tactical stuff like the Backfire, Badger, Blackjack...

With regard to the fleet, the F-14 was the  bomber-killer. Long on station time, long combat radius, and long range weapons.
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« Reply #44 on: September 16, 2005, 08:59:17 AM »
China?