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Offline Chairboy

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« Reply #60 on: September 16, 2005, 04:55:23 PM »
Whoops.

BTW, a quick diversion from the subject of anti-ship missiles, is everyone here familiar with the Schkval?  It's a torpedo that travels at 230+ mph.  No defenses against it once fired.  The newest version supposedly goes even faster and can home in on a violently maneuvering ship.  Oh, and an available nuclear warhead means it could take out...  just about anything.

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/missile/row/shkval.htm
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« Reply #61 on: September 16, 2005, 05:02:37 PM »
Shkval is a dumb fire torpedo that is made so the other sub has to maneuver violently and break the guidence wires on his weapon - hence anabling the Shkval boat another shot.
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« Reply #62 on: September 16, 2005, 05:05:00 PM »
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« Reply #63 on: September 16, 2005, 05:06:47 PM »
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Shkval is a dumb fire torpedo that is made so the other sub has to maneuver violently and break the guidence wires on his weapon - hence anabling the Shkval boat another shot.
The original Shkval is like that, the newer Shkval supposedly has longer range and homing capability.
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« Reply #64 on: September 16, 2005, 05:10:31 PM »
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The original Shkval is like that, the newer Shkval supposedly has longer range and homing capability.


Ive heard that too. Have no idea on how such a noisy weapon would manage to home in on anything tho.
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« Reply #65 on: September 16, 2005, 05:49:46 PM »
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Ive heard that too. Have no idea on how such a noisy weapon would manage to home in on anything tho.


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« Reply #66 on: September 16, 2005, 06:26:18 PM »
we're screwed.... the fleet has lost it's long range 'archer' killer with the demise of Phoenix and the Tomcat, the task groups close in defenses are easily overwhelmed by multiple asm's and our asw defenses are vulnerable to lurking kilo's in shallow water.

gonna be a heluva price to pay for this... we lose a task force or two and the response will most likely be a very big light in the sky over some capital cities.
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« Reply #67 on: September 16, 2005, 07:13:01 PM »
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w our asw defenses are vulnerable to lurking kilo's in shallow water.

gonna be a heluva price to pay for this... we lose a task force or two and the response will most likely be a very big light in the sky over some capital cities.


No sub will get through on my watch:aok

ASTAC= Anti-Submarine/Surface Tactical Air Controller.

I seem to have a knack for getting the A/C in the right place using the right search pattern....I'm 11 for 11 against the Type 206, even found a Seawolf once (It's not as hard as you think, just track the super quiet hole in the ocean)

As for fleet air defense, since the nuetered the S-3 into nothing but a tanker, as long as they are nearby the F/A-18 E/F Should do a pretty good job.
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« Reply #68 on: September 16, 2005, 07:16:22 PM »
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« Reply #69 on: September 17, 2005, 12:00:26 AM »
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Say what? You obviously didn't watch Top Gun!  ;)


Old joke I used to hear from the USAF fighter guys about the Tomcat:

"You're in a furball and you see an F-14 with his wings swept out. What does it mean?"

"It means an F-14 is about to die."


Funny, I saw/heard a quote from an F-15 jock: " When the fight gets low and slow, we don't mess with the gents in the cat."
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« Reply #70 on: September 18, 2005, 02:03:37 AM »
Saburo an F-15 pilot would say the same thing about an F-16 and F/A-18. But if he/she is packing JHCMS then they might think again about getting low and slow with them. The F-15 was made for high speed engagements.
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« Reply #71 on: September 18, 2005, 02:46:52 AM »
Sure, but part of the swingwing design of the F14 was to allow it very large maneuver envelope. The Shah of Iran (former fighter pilot) was sold on the F14 after he saw a demonstration of its aerial performance. It was something the F15 couldn't match IIRC.
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« Reply #72 on: September 18, 2005, 10:14:56 AM »
As weapons platforms the f-15 and f-14 both can 'reach out, reach out and kill someone'.. the BVR capabilities are top notch.

In a knife fight, the advantage goes to the guy that can turn better, climb/accel faster, employ his guns most effectively.

This kind of fighting is all but non existant in a 'Fleet Defense Role', the name of the game is 'reach out and touch'.

It's a moment Tomcat pilots dream of.. and they unquestionably have the superior mount for for the knife fight. As always, the Navy's planes were desigined for the previous war. Imagine what Duke Cunningham coulda done that day with a Tomcat instead of a gunless F4.
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« Reply #73 on: September 18, 2005, 02:42:24 PM »
I just went to the NAS Oceana Air show yesterday, and I saw the  last flight demonstartion of the F-14 Tomcat. I saw the F-18 superhonet about half an hour before it, and I think the Tomcat being retired is a mistake. It looked a lot better in the turns than the Hornet did, and the climbing part looked like it was faster too.
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« Reply #74 on: September 18, 2005, 04:03:26 PM »
yup. and therin lies the big hole.. the big kitty does everything better than the insect other than cost less.. the cat could make the long distance calls and whup bellybutton or work in close to tap a commie on the shoulder and smile that big bad cat smile.

The fleet's gonna miss it... the interim insect is not a replacement.

So when's it been policy to accept a poorer plane in the role filled by a better one, regardless of age?

(lessee.. A-10, F-8, Intruder, F-111.. nevermind)

penny pinching bean counters making the Navy a hollow shadow of it's former self.. business as usual.
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