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« Reply #120 on: September 15, 2005, 10:05:50 AM »
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Not worth the effort, let em stew in their irrelevance I say.



Tell the Afghanis that we are irrelevant.



Regarding criticising the Bush administration I think Jon Stewart said it best.  It seems that it's never the right time and they use the last crisis as the reason.  They can't be critised anytime after 9/11 because the US just got attacked by terrorists.  Can't critise them after Iraq was invade because, damnit the US is at war.  Can't critise them now, because damnit NO got flooded.

But that implies a false dilemma.  That taking care of the crisis can't happen concurrently with critisism.

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« Reply #121 on: September 15, 2005, 10:49:37 AM »
Hmmmmmmmmmm......

Thrawn may have a point here.

To date, I've never seen ANYONE.... not in the print media, not in the visual media, no public speakers... ever criticize the Bush administration about anything. Come to think of it, I don't think the Bush admin has ever been criticized here on the BBS!

It's all been completely "positive press" now that I think about it.

We should investigate this much more seriously.
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Re: Re: Re: Bush apologizes
« Reply #122 on: September 15, 2005, 12:01:09 PM »
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I heard today that the Governor has admitted to making mistakes and apologized too. I expect phase two of the blame game to be a race to see who can take more blame and thus look better when re-election comes. Our only hope might be if nobody ever gets re-elected to any office anywhere. Politics should never be a career, fear anyone who spends a few million dollars to get a job that pays $100,000.


That's what the rich want. They bankroll their politicians to govern, pass laws that benefit them. It takes some serious money to run for office. Those debts have to paid back one way or another. Usually it involves our tax money.
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« Reply #123 on: September 15, 2005, 12:48:33 PM »
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Hmmmmmmmmmm......

Thrawn may have a point here.

To date, I've never seen ANYONE.... not in the print media, not in the visual media, no public speakers... ever criticize the Bush administration about anything. Come to think of it, I don't think the Bush admin has ever been criticized here on the BBS!

It's all been completely "positive press" now that I think about it.

We should investigate this much more seriously.



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« Reply #124 on: September 15, 2005, 12:55:04 PM »
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Hmmmmmmmmmm......

Thrawn may have a point here.

To date, I've never seen ANYONE.... not in the print media, not in the visual media, no public speakers... ever criticize the Bush administration about anything. Come to think of it, I don't think the Bush admin has ever been criticized here on the BBS!

It's all been completely "positive press" now that I think about it.

We should investigate this much more seriously.


 :lol :rofl

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« Reply #125 on: September 15, 2005, 08:55:28 PM »
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/05254/568876.stm

Jack Kelly: No shame
The federal response to Katrina was not as portrayed
Sunday, September 11, 2005

It is settled wisdom among journalists that the federal response to the devastation wrought by Hurricane Katrina was unconscionably slow.

   
      Jack Kelly is national security writer for the Post-Gazette and The Blade of Toledo, Ohio (jkelly@post-gazette.com, 412-263-1476).    
   
"Mr. Bush's performance last week will rank as one of the worst ever during a dire national emergency," wrote New York Times columnist Bob Herbert in a somewhat more strident expression of the conventional wisdom.

But the conventional wisdom is the opposite of the truth.

Jason van Steenwyk is a Florida Army National Guardsman who has been mobilized six times for hurricane relief. He notes that:

"The federal government pretty much met its standard time lines, but the volume of support provided during the 72-96 hour was unprecedented. The federal response here was faster than Hugo, faster than Andrew, faster than Iniki, faster than Francine and Jeanne."

For instance, it took five days for National Guard troops to arrive in strength on the scene in Homestead, Fla. after Hurricane Andrew hit in 1992. But after Katrina, there was a significant National Guard presence in the afflicted region in three.

Journalists who are long on opinions and short on knowledge have no idea what is involved in moving hundreds of tons of relief supplies into an area the size of England in which power lines are down, telecommunications are out, no gasoline is available, bridges are damaged, roads and airports are covered with debris, and apparently have little interest in finding out.

So they libel as a "national disgrace" the most monumental and successful disaster relief operation in world history.

I write this column a week and a day after the main levee protecting New Orleans breached. In the course of that week:

More than 32,000 people have been rescued, many plucked from rooftops by Coast Guard helicopters.

The Army Corps of Engineers has all but repaired the breaches and begun pumping water out of New Orleans.

Shelter, food and medical care have been provided to more than 180,000 refugees.

Journalists complain that it took a whole week to do this. A former Air Force logistics officer had some words of advice for us in the Fourth Estate on his blog, Moltenthought:

"We do not yet have teleporter or replicator technology like you saw on 'Star Trek' in college between hookah hits and waiting to pick up your worthless communications degree while the grown-ups actually engaged in the recovery effort were studying engineering.

"The United States military can wipe out the Taliban and the Iraqi Republican Guard far more swiftly than they can bring 3 million Swanson dinners to an underwater city through an area the size of Great Britain which has no power, no working ports or airports, and a devastated and impassable road network.

"You cannot speed recovery and relief efforts up by prepositioning assets (in the affected areas) since the assets are endangered by the very storm which destroyed the region.

"No amount of yelling, crying and mustering of moral indignation will change any of the facts above."

"You cannot just snap your fingers and make the military appear somewhere," van Steenwyk said.

Guardsmen need to receive mobilization orders; report to their armories; draw equipment; receive orders and convoy to the disaster area. Guardsmen driving down from Pennsylvania or Navy ships sailing from Norfolk can't be on the scene immediately.

Relief efforts must be planned. Other than prepositioning supplies near the area likely to be afflicted (which was done quite efficiently), this cannot be done until the hurricane has struck and a damage assessment can be made. There must be a route reconnaissance to determine if roads are open, and bridges along the way can bear the weight of heavily laden trucks.

And federal troops and Guardsmen from other states cannot be sent to a disaster area until their presence has been requested by the governors of the afflicted states.

Exhibit A on the bill of indictment of federal sluggishness is that it took four days before most people were evacuated from the Louisiana Superdome.

The levee broke Tuesday morning. Buses had to be rounded up and driven from Houston to New Orleans across debris-strewn roads. The first ones arrived Wednesday evening. That seems pretty fast to me.

A better question -- which few journalists ask -- is why weren't the roughly 2,000 municipal and school buses in New Orleans utilized to take people out of the city before Katrina struck?



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(Correction/Clarification: (Published 9/12/05) -- Hurricane Andrew struck Florida in 1992, not 2002.)
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« Reply #126 on: September 16, 2005, 12:33:12 AM »
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why think small?   move em all to cananda where they will be safe.

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Only if we can have em all move in next door to Nash :D
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« Reply #127 on: September 16, 2005, 10:53:23 AM »
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I heard today that the Governor has admitted to making mistakes and apologized too.


Her office later claimed that she never did.

I have to wonder about some of you guys that want to do nothing but blame Bush for everything.

Blanco filled the paperwork out in a timely manner but her actual request for help came  to late.

Strange how that never gets reported.

I think the only thing Bush has to apologize for is the plan that was made for this type of incident didn't work.
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« Reply #128 on: September 16, 2005, 01:21:20 PM »
I humbly apologize.

That'll get me some street cred...
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