Author Topic: Post a tip for flying Fw-190A/D/Fs (Read 1558 times)

JB42 · « **Reply #30 on:** September 16, 2005, 09:07:33 PM »

My advice is DON'T FLY THEM!!!. It pains me very time I shoot one down. Less 190s in the air, less guilty I feel at the end of the night.

As for real advice, use the rudder to turn. While in most planes a simple turn involves rolling 45-90 degrees and pulling back on the stick while using rudder and ailerons to keep nose in position, the 190 is just the opposite. Roll only 45-60 degrees, hard rudder into the turn and use elevators and ailerons to keep nose steady. This takes a lot of practice for some, but yields the best results.

As for the knocks on the 190, while most of the world was still mired in the slow agile plane concept of the old Bi-planes, the 190 marked a new direction for combat airplanes. Power, speed and enough agility to get out of a turn as fast as you got into one.
We (and I use that term loosely) engage in insane turn fights because we can. There is no fear of death, injury or even damaging our plane. The 190 was specifically designed to get a 1-3 second gun solution and then be able to "reset" if terminal damage was not inflicted. To the AH community, simply put, BnZ. It's wasn't designed to follow some **** through 85 ACMs, down 12,000 ft. only to wind up otd to get picked by someone else.

Morpheus · « **Reply #31 on:** September 16, 2005, 09:10:06 PM »

point nose down 90 degrees and run

1K3 · « **Reply #32 on:** September 16, 2005, 09:15:50 PM »

In AH, does the weight of the plane decreased if you dump MG ammos? I think its not proven yet but if yes i recomend to dump the peashooters for 190s to squeeze better performance and keep the heavy cannons

Krusty · « **Reply #33 on:** September 16, 2005, 11:37:11 PM »

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How about only rising your head a bit?

Mando that doesn't help too much. The section blocked out in the forward view of the 190 sucks big time. Raising the head helps in some planes, but I don't find it helps any in the 190. Especially with "under the nose" deflection shooting. It was just a suggestion, take it or leave it, but I think that setting up a shot where you don't need "under the nose" deflection is better than raising the head position.

Krusty · « **Reply #34 on:** September 16, 2005, 11:38:48 PM »

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Originally posted by 1K3
In AH, does the weight of the plane decreased if you dump MG ammos? I think its not proven yet but if yes i recomend to dump the peashooters for 190s to squeeze better performance and keep the heavy cannons

Ammo count *IS* part of the weight. If you dump all the MGs you will fly lighter. HOWEVER, I don't do that because I use the peashooters. Especially the Dora and A8 peashooters (2x50cals, basically!).

Somebody had timed it out so they knew exactly how many seconds of MGs and of cannons there were, and fired off about half the MGs so that all guns ran dry at the same time. I usually run outta gas by that time or am dead, so I don't bother.

hubsonfire · « **Reply #35 on:** September 17, 2005, 02:14:31 AM »

I'm sure dumping a few hundred rounds does reduce the weight by some amount, but I, for one, have never looked around and said "Damn, I brought too much ammo for this fight".

Mgs may have no use in the nonsubscriber arenas, but a huge furball is a different animal entirely.

DREDIOCK · « **Reply #36 on:** September 17, 2005, 08:23:32 AM »

I've heard claims that ammo weight effects performance. going back even to airwarriorI personally havent noticed any kind of significant difference.
I havent seen a plane in any meaningful way peform any better with no ammo then it does with a full ammo load.
Fuel and ord(bombs/rockets/droptanks) load has a much greater effect

Glasses · « **Reply #37 on:** September 18, 2005, 01:33:55 AM »

Wear leather and Believe in the Tank force... The Force of Kurt Tankus Prime!

bj229r · « **Reply #38 on:** September 18, 2005, 08:46:43 PM »

Only thing hacks me off about German planes is incredibly poor muzzle velocity of 20mm compared to American 50's or the Hizooka...if ya are behind a goon at 500, ya have to aim fargin guns up in air like a Howitzer---I have dialup (poor dialup at that) and I NEVER hit any blind snapshots with A8 or D9...always seem to be behind plane--strap on a tiffy or P47, such hits are fairly easy

MANDO · « **Reply #39 on:** September 19, 2005, 05:58:48 AM »

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Only thing hacks me off about German planes is incredibly poor muzzle velocity

While 151/20 MZ may be an issue, the real problems are ROF of sync guns, round dispersion and damage.

Damage: a single hit in one spot will unlikely cause any damage. You need to concentrate some hits over the same spot to break something, but then you'll find the following two problems.

Round dispersion: The sight is useless. You cannot use a marked sight to fire short and accurate bursts over one spot trying to achieve two or more hits over the same place. While this issue is common to most guns in the game, it is a real problem if you have a low rof and weak rounds.

ROF of syncronized guns: A plane can cross through your bullet stream without any hit. This may be caused by a low rof mixed up with a concentration of bullets per "flying round".

Wilbus · « **Reply #40 on:** September 19, 2005, 06:05:58 AM »

Mando I don't think there is a concentration of single rounds. Have HT said there is?

Look at .target, every round fired is making a hole afaik.

But I do agree that planes often fly through the bulletstream withoput getting hit, always puzzled when they do.

750 isn't THAT slow, that is well above 10 rounds per second, 2 guns will make it well above 20 rounds per second so why the fly through the bulletstream is beyond me. Guessing it is just poor aim.

frank3 · « **Reply #41 on:** September 19, 2005, 07:41:52 AM »

The P-47 vs Fw-190 is actually a good fight, the Thunderbolt will turn better, but I think the 190 will outaccelerate the jug

+ the performances are both rather equal

The .303's won't do anything against the P-47 though, might have a lucky headshot

Edbert · « **Reply #42 on:** September 19, 2005, 12:12:11 PM »

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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
I've heard claims that ammo weight effects performance. going back even to airwarriorI personally havent noticed any kind of significant difference.

They matter in a long, sustained stallfight, something you wont have if either guy is in a 190 (maybe if they are both 190s though).

Krusty · « **Reply #43 on:** September 19, 2005, 12:19:00 PM »

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The P-47 vs Fw-190 is actually a good fight, the Thunderbolt will turn better, but I think the 190 will outaccelerate the jug

+ the performances are both rather equal

The .303's won't do anything against the P-47 though, might have a lucky headshot

Frank you missed IK3's HTH room where for a week he had 190a8s vs p47d25s. The A8s dominated but a small but definite margin.

MANDO · « **Reply #44 on:** September 19, 2005, 01:10:36 PM »

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Mando I don't think there is a concentration of single rounds. Have HT said there is?

I have no idea how it is modelled, but the fact is that planes fly through the middle of the bullet stream without hits, and this is not uncommon. With 20 real rounds per second, these cases would be very rare.

It seems that there is a ROF "limit". Below it, this effect is very common, above it just the opposite (190 2x20 sync + 2x13 vs 109 3x20 unsync).