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« Reply #15 on: September 19, 2001, 06:09:00 AM »
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Jacques Chirac, President of France

It's not very specific, but how can it be?  You can't expect nations to agree to military action before a plan (or even an enemy) has been identified.  Also it's probable that any military actions will be covert in nature and as such you will not hear about them until after they happen.
I'd also like to add that before engaging any troops French law requires a consultation of parliament with precise definition of the operations...(hence the delays and reservations placed)
that's what makes us different from the animals we are confronted with: we are law-abiding,democratic countries...
some may perceive that as a weakness but ultimately this is our strenght!

And just to clarify please note that most French citizens were outraged by the attacks (and we have been the target of islamic terrorism before..)so everybody is expecting our government to do the right thing...
 if these guys care about their jobs they better listen...

 

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« Reply #16 on: September 19, 2001, 09:05:00 AM »
Straffo; yer mealy mouth fancy dancin does nothin to put the French postion in a better light.

As I told you when you sent me that 'private message' protesting my finger pointing at France and it's piss-poor position regarding terrorisim...

When Pan Am 103 was scattered all over Lockerbie, we needed an overflight to retaliate in Libya. The French displayed 'solidarity' aginst terrorism by refusing overflight.

Oh, and thanks for the French assistance with the the Iranians during the Hostage Crisis. And how many French Marines died in Lebanon?

Yer wonderful national Pride has forced your reclariant government to repay how many debts it has to our nation?? Whats that you say?? None?

Your Government has a chance here to do the right thing.. help stamp out terrorisim. it has a LARGE arab population.. conatcts in northern africa, in other states we are eyeballing.. will your government help us??

I diddlyin doubt it..

They're far too buzy shippin gawdamned nuclear and Chemical technology to the iranians and iraquis.. to; of course, help feed the starving childern our embargo created. Asses. fediddlein asses. Why ship them technology.. if yer worried about starving Iraq, send em food. Not military radars.

rat bastards.

WRITE YOUR GOVERNMENT LEADERS. Tell 'em to back our play.. thats the RIGHT call; and you know it.

Now get off my back, and get on YOUR fediddlein governments back.
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« Reply #17 on: September 19, 2001, 09:18:00 AM »
Spooky, how long have those restrictions been in place in France? Could they have contributed to the seeming ease with which Hitler rolled into and conquered France in WWII? Perhaps it's time to reevaluate.

Straffo, if the point of your message is that the USA should mind it's own business I tend to agree. Having spent 20 years in the US military, 7 of it away from my family in other countries, I often wondered why it was necessary for us to be involved in others business.

Perhaps it is time for us to build a "great wall" like China did thousands of years ago. But then again, if we adhered to this philosophy 60 years ago, I think you'd be speaking German or Russian.
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« Reply #18 on: September 19, 2001, 10:07:00 AM »
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Spooky, how long have those restrictions been in place in France? Could they have contributed to the seeming ease with which Hitler rolled into and conquered France in WWII? Perhaps it's time to reevaluate.

According to history books statistics it was indeed easy for the germans...
For people here it felt different : half the men in my family were KIA between 1940 and 1944 .they were stabbed in the back by their government just like your soldiers were abandonned by congress during the vietnam war...courage,honor and dedication know no borders you know...

and HANGTIME I was furious when the F111s were denied overfly clearance in 86...many of us were...I used my vote to protest then.I would do the same today if our government is not up to the task..

Leave the french ethnic jokes to Letterman and forget the pepe le pew cliches!

I have been supportive and respectful in my posts.It is a time for unity ...Our usual small time bickering will resume soon enough !

 

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« Reply #19 on: September 19, 2001, 10:11:00 AM »
Euro brothers, please read. http://www.stratfor.com/home/0109181830.htm  

If the US news is reporting this wrong, please point me to the correct info.

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« Reply #20 on: September 19, 2001, 10:13:00 AM »
1st I won't answer point by point to Hang "NUKE THEM ALL"Time he lost all comon sense after the last event  :(
I do understand his pain but I do disagree on his position.

And yes I know that 58 French soldier that's nothing compared to 241 US soldier.

 
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Spooky, how long have those restrictions been in place in France? Could they have contributed to the seeming ease with which Hitler rolled into and conquered France in WWII? Perhaps it's time to reevaluate.
You have the same in USA, the President cannot on his own declare war to another country (I believe).
 
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Straffo, if the point of your message is that the USA should mind it's own business I tend to agree. Having spent 20 years in the US military, 7 of it away from my family in other countries, I often wondered why it was necessary for us to be involved in others business.
Some of you looks like they have just discovered that some people hate America (and  I'm not part of those people) I just wanted to point some reasons of this. Using a post made by someone having a better english than mine (even if I don't agree with all the post)
You can find the original post here : http://www.bluebyte.net/forum/eng/m.asp?bid=41&tid=136316&id=''

I've a lot of respect for the US soldier I know the price they payed perhaps better than the average American (I've just to drive half an hour to see the 1st graveyard  :()

 
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Perhaps it is time for us to build a "great wall" like China did thousands of years ago. But then again, if we adhered to this philosophy 60 years ago, I think you'd be speaking German or Russian.

what if the Japanese never attacked pearl harbour ? I won't digress but I hope we will never know the answer.

PS : I already speak german and Russian  ;) equally bad  :D

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« Reply #21 on: September 19, 2001, 10:14:00 AM »
Aye, Spooky; agreed... tell it to straffo.

Since we both live in Democratic societies, it's expected that we should voice opinion. My commentary is not so much a diatribe against French citizens as it is against French Government Policy.

Lets both pressure our governments to do the right thing.
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« Reply #22 on: September 19, 2001, 10:28:00 AM »
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Euro brothers, please read. http://www.stratfor.com/home/0109181830.htm  

If the US news is reporting this wrong, please point me to the correct info.

Again, Newguy,

point where is the name of Italy in this article, I cannot find it.

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« Reply #23 on: September 19, 2001, 10:58:00 AM »
Naso,

 I don't write the news. The question I asked is what my local news has reported. Notice my question did not include Egypt. Egypt was not part of that news story. Italy and Norway are not discussed in the link I inclosed. Either the news story is true or it's not. I'm looking for the truth. Anyone have a link for this?

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« Reply #24 on: September 19, 2001, 11:09:00 AM »
Straffo;

Not to be argumentative, but the US has law which grants the US President authority to act in times of emergency. From the War Powers Act of 1973:

SEC. 2. (c)
The constitutional powers of the President as Commander-in-Chief to introduce United States Armed Forces into hostilities, or into situations where imminent involvement in hostilities is clearly indicated by the circumstances, are exercised only pursuant to (1) a declaration of war, (2) specific statutory authorization, or (3) a national emergency created by attack upon the United States, its territories or possessions, or its armed forces.

I think (3) applies to the situation today.

Regarding the attack on Pearl Harbor by the Japanese; many would argue that President Roosevelt forced the attack by secretly threating war on the Japanse because of their "expansion" in the Pacific and China. We could debate this indefinitely but my point is that the US became involved in WWII by choice.

I think it is the nature of humankind to expand and increase influence. I believe these are survival traits that have served us well. Unfortunately war is often a result. Will we ever see worldwide peace and freedom? Probably not for many generations if ever. Should we stop seeking it? Never!
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« Reply #25 on: September 19, 2001, 11:25:00 AM »
Found it

     Italian defence minister rules out Italian troop role

     ROME, Sept 16 (AFP) -

     Italian Defense Minister Antonio Martino on Sunday said Italian troops would not take part in any US etaliation after the terror attacks and that use of the term "war" was inappropriate.

     "The term 'war' is inappropriate. It is not a conflict between states and Italian troops will not go anywhere," Martino told the RAI television station. "I feel I am in a position to categorically exclude calling on the army," he said. The defence minister warned that "nobody had better strike randomly," adding that 100,000 Italian soldiers were involved in various peacekeeping missions abroad.

     He said the US would certainly take military action once the perpetrators of the attacks on the World Trade
     Center in New York and Pentagon had been identified, and only then "will we see what we are called upon to do."

     Asked about Saudi-born extremist Osama bin Laden's role in the attacks, Martino said "the idea that one man is behind this tragedy is misguided."

     In an interview with the daily Il Messaggero published Sunday, Martino urged the US not to act alone in the
     event of a military operation.

     "As was the case during the Gulf War, the idea that the United States should not act alone but should build a coalition and seek approval from the United Nations is gaining ground."

     Martino said he favoured the build-up of a coalition prior to any military riposte "for the obvious reasons that by doing so the operation would be successful."

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« Reply #26 on: September 19, 2001, 12:26:00 PM »
And this mean we will not be on your side?

Or we will not help in military action?

Dont think so.

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« Reply #27 on: September 19, 2001, 12:55:00 PM »
US troops in Kosovo need to come home.

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« Reply #28 on: September 19, 2001, 01:49:00 PM »
No, Naso...

I think it means Italy will be on our side.

Like sitting on "our side" at a football game. Italy will be cheering right along with the US crowd.

We just don't expect to see any of yas down on the field with us.
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« Reply #29 on: September 19, 2001, 02:59:00 PM »
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I think (3) applies to the situation today.
You just have to hope never having someone nasty at the white house.
 
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We could debate this indefinitely but my point is that the US became involved in WWII by choice.
You are truly a wise person .
I know several BBS user who would have jumped on me for this sentence (it was an involuntary provocation)

 
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I think it is the nature of humankind to expand and increase influence. I believe these are survival traits that have served us well. Unfortunately war is often a result. Will we ever see worldwide peace and freedom? Probably not for many generations if ever. Should we stop seeking it? Never!

I truly believe that this kind of sentence can't come from someone no having been in miltary service <S> you know the real price of war and peace.