Author Topic: bf-109 K-4 (Read 1379 times)

KCDitto · « **on:** September 18, 2005, 11:15:13 AM »

SO why after all these years and a million posts of "the G-10 is the K-4"

did HTC finally decide to build the Bf 109 K-4????????

I am not complaining by the way as I was one of the guys who wanted it and will pay perk points to fly it if is modeled well.

Thanks by the way.

gofaster · « **Reply #1 on:** September 19, 2005, 04:05:21 PM »

I was wondering the same thing. If the G-10 is the K in this game, what benefit is the new K design bringing with it that we didn't have before?

I mean, really, the game would benefit so much more from an M-24 Chafee tank or an amphibious Sherman. Or a P-40N. Or a truck with a 5" flak gun mounted on the back. Or mannable 88s at towns.

Krusty · « **Reply #2 on:** September 19, 2005, 04:16:16 PM »

Unless they were thinking of filling a gap in the late war planeset, perhaps? Or perhaps they felt the performance of the G10 (as is) is too much for the 20mm, and limiting it to the 30mm ("K-4" instead of "G-10") would balance the plane out a bit more?

There are tons of reasons that may or may not have played a point.

Karnak · « **Reply #3 on:** September 19, 2005, 05:41:31 PM »

My bet is that they were tired of hearing people whine for the Bf109K-4 to be added when it was already there in all but name.

Krusty · « **Reply #4 on:** September 19, 2005, 06:30:57 PM »

hee hee, good reason, as well!

KCDitto · « **Reply #5 on:** September 19, 2005, 10:04:54 PM »

Well HiTech?????

any thing to add to this???

Just wondering?

I am sure I am goig to fly it and much to scuzzy's anoyance will have to change the name of the squad agina LOL

Thanks

Ditto
CO JG 301 STABSSCHWARM

Bodhi · « **Reply #6 on:** September 19, 2005, 10:10:40 PM »

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Originally posted by gofaster
I mean, really, the game would benefit so much more from an ...... an amphibious Sherman.

So you want to model sinkers in the game as well????

Tarmac · « **Reply #7 on:** September 20, 2005, 12:21:04 PM »

Is the k4 going to have 15mm mg151's?

Krusty · « **Reply #8 on:** September 20, 2005, 12:26:19 PM »

MG151/20s rarely were in 15mm. The MG151/20 stopped using 15mm ammo in the 109F-2, because the 15mm round just wasn't strong enough. After they switched (not sure when, but definitely by the time the F-4 cmae out) I don't think any MG151/20s used 15mm rounds ever again.

hogenbor · « **Reply #9 on:** September 20, 2005, 12:35:13 PM »

Krusty, he was being ironic

I don't think nobody here would dare claim anymore that late 109's had 15mm Mg151's instead of 13mm cowl guns.

Still, in my old copy of 'Aces of Europe' the 109-K has them and even Gunther Rall claimed in a recent speech that the 109 had them...

Karnak · « **Reply #10 on:** September 20, 2005, 12:37:02 PM »

Krusty,

He is refering to the cowl guns. There was a mistake in a book written a long time ago, '50s or '60s if I recall, that made the mistaken claim that the Bf109K-4 had the 13mm cowl guns replaced with 15mm MG151/15s. This error was propagated into other books from there. Only by going back to original source material was the error corrected in more modern books. Some Bf109 fans persist in believing that the Bf109K-4 carried 15mm guns in the cowl positions despite there being demonstrably not enough room.

He was goading said Bf109 fans and the people who like to argue with them, aka trolling.

Krusty · « **Reply #11 on:** September 20, 2005, 12:47:07 PM »

Oh, I never knew about that.

Probably came from the 190A. Didn't the A6 replace 13mm cowling guns with MG151/20s?

Karnak · « **Reply #12 on:** September 20, 2005, 12:50:29 PM »

Not so far as I know.

It simply came from either a typo or a hard to make out comment on an original source document.

Tarmac · « **Reply #13 on:** September 20, 2005, 12:58:40 PM »

Wilbus · « **Reply #14 on:** September 20, 2005, 02:55:18 PM »

LOL Tarmac, nice one

Krusty. There were to types of MG151's.

One called MG151/15 and one called MG151/20. The 15 was the 15mm heavy machine gun and the 20 was the 20mm cannon we have in AH.

Like Karnak said it is a myth (damn persistant one) that the 109 K4 used 15mm cowl guns. And the damn myth still lives on in some books together with the 30mm MK103 Hub cannon myth.

As for the FW 190 they never used 15mm guns, not in cowl or any others place.

As for the reason of changing the G10 to K4 name probarly because they wanna fill the gap in the plane set. Noone but HTC knows of any new 109's yet, maybe there won't be any. We're hoping for some late G modells though such as a G14 or a G6 AS. We'll see.

By adding the K4 they remove the G10/K4 hybrid. (There may very well have been some G10's with that engine aswell though).

As for it being perked in the MA I see no reason for that, the plane should perform like the G10 we have now but it won't have the 20mm hub cannon option.