bf-109 K-4

[Kurfürst]

Well at least the MK 103mot was intended to some 109K variants at least.

BTW, what 109K we get? 1.8 or 1.98ata one ?
What will the G-10 become then?

PS : It`s odd the 109K misses it`s wheel well doors...

[Karnak]

We don't know what we're getting, 1.8 or 1.98ata.  Only HTC knows that.  My bet'd be 1.8ata and keep it free, but it may be boosted to 1.98ata and perhaps perked.

The Bf109G-10 (which in AH has always been a Bf109K-4 in all but name) is being removed from AH.  I hope to see the Bf109G-14 added to the plane list as well though.  From what I've read about it I could definately see myself liking the Bf109G-14.


Should the wheels on the Bf109K-4 be completely enclosed?

[airmess]

Yes Karnak. The wheels should be enclosed on the K-4, but they removed it from planes in action. When making the skin i saw both variants.

I've read a remark on a book that says, that they removed them cause of dificulties on the mecanics of those doors. This seams to be due to dirt etc, what jamed the dors. This was a bad issue when one door keept open after takeoff.


airmes

[Kurfürst]

Actually it seems more likely the doors were not present on early planes. Most of the early photos w/o them come from November 1944, ie. the first batches, usually depicting JG 77.

On most later production batches you can see the wheel wells fairly regularly, besides it`s a distinctive feature of the 109K, the only one in large series with wheel well doors. They should be on the plane, otherwise it looks just the same as the 109G.

[Wilbus]

G10 is removed K4 is added. Think we've beaten that horse to death again and again now. I've explained it 7 times today alone

Guessing we're getting a 1.8 ata.

[TracerX]

Originally posted by Karnak
We don't know what we're getting, 1.8 or 1.98ata.  Only HTC knows that.  My bet'd be 1.8ata and keep it free, but it may be boosted to 1.98ata and perhaps perked.

So my question is what is the current AH G-10 model rated at?  1.8ata or 1.98ata?  If the current G-10 is 1.8ata, then I could see the K-4 at 1.98ata being a significant change.  I would like to see an early G-10 or G-14 model with the 1.8ata rating if that is not what the G-10 is currently modeled.  It would be usefull for special events and the combat theater.

[Krusty]

I doubt they're going to change the modeling of it. They've already got it modeled pretty good as-is. HTC is probably going to just keep it as-is (which is pretty darn good, really) and the talk was going around that we could use a gap filler between G6 and K4 (actually, some would say we could use 2 gap fillers in there, because of the speeds and the best altitudes for the 109s changed in this time period).

HTC was listening to those that proposed new spitfires, and they were probably following the discussion about 109s. So we might see a new 109 or two.

[Kurfürst]

IMHO the two best gap fillers between the G-6 (no MW50) and K-4 would be :

G-14 : basically G-6 with MW 50, produced from mid-44 onwards with a max speed of 665 kph at 5000m, and 568kph at SL. iow, it`s a good `44ish medium altitude fighter.

G-10 : Since we already have it, and as it could represent the other important 44/45 109, the G-14/AS. The performance diffo between the G-14/AS and G-10 is marginal, ie.

early G-10 : 562 at SL, 690 at 7.5km (1.75ata)
G-14/AS : 560 kph at SL, 680 at 7.5kph (1.7ata)

It speaks for the G-10 that it`s
a, already ready
b, in greater numbers, some 2600 being produced

So`d have for 44/45

G-6 : 530 SL / 640 at 6.6 km
G-14 : 568SL / 665 at 5km, above as G-6
G-10 : 562 SL / 690 at 7.5 km, much improved altitude performance over G-6

K-4 : either :
1.8ata : 595 kph SL / 712 kpt at 7.5 kph
1.98ata: 607 kph SL, / 715 kph at 6km, above that as 1.8ata,
Has MK 108 as standard and only gun

[Wilbus]

The current 109 G10 is modelled at 1.8 ata Tracer

Doesn't matter much to me what we get. When flown well, after a steep learning curve, the G10 (or K4 in the future) is one of the most dangerous plane in the arena.

People don't like it because of high speed maneuverability, low speed turn rate (although it's OK) and lack of guns (Gonds take away everything the 109 stands for IMO).

[hogenbor]

The G10 is probably the best plane not to be shot down in, but in my hands it is not that deadly. Hard to get into position for a shot.

Been flying the G6 lately because it is challenging. Not that much speed (a good point of the G10 taken away), not that much maneuverability (you can't hang with Niks or Spits for long) and hard(er) to use the guns, even the 20mm package. But you are small, and can replace energy quickly. Long WEP too. Had a few very interesting fights in it. I had to work very hard, but could win them. The joy of blowing up a La-7 with 30mm in a knife fight is wonderful High speed handling is an issue, but the 109 doesn't compress as such, only the high control forces are modelled. You can trim yourself out of trouble most of the time. And don't forget it is very forgiving near the edge although it can feel twitchy.

[Wmaker]

Originally posted by Wilbus
The current 109 G10 is modelled at 1.8 ata Tracer

Hmm...everybody seems to be so sure about this?

I wonder why because the current AH G-10 does around 450mph at its best alt...I got it going 449mph a while back, IIRC Karnak talked about 451mph figure...(I only roughly checked the best alt from HTC's G-10 speed chart and tried it there...).

My point is that the often found top speed figure from literature is 452mph for the K-4. This speed is usually given for the DB-605DC engined aircraft...

I'm not at home right now so can't check the AH G-10 MAP reading but I've always been under the impression that AH G-10 runs C3 fuel at 1.98...the performance most certainly indicates this.

P.S One thing that seems to be missing from the AH K-4 model is the radio antenna.

[Wilbus]

Woops Wmaker I may be wrong. Rememberd checking i last night but didn't check in the 109. Forgot we still use man pressure there.

BTW, the 109 K4 will almost without doubt use 1.8 ata in AH. Check the screenshots on the main page. Pressure gauge goes to 1.8 ata and stop there.

[Wmaker]

Originally posted by Wilbus
BTW, the 109 K4 will almost without doubt use 1.8 ata in AH. Check the screenshots on the main page. Pressure gauge goes to 1.8 ata and stop there.

Yep,

IIRC AH G-10 did 367mph on the deck, we'll just have to wait and see how fast the new K-4 will on the deck and on up...

[Wilbus]

*SHOULD* be the same Wmaker. The reason I think this is because HTC has always stated that the G10 in AH is in fact a K4 but with the 20mm engine mounted cannon option.

If I understand this correct, there are no FM changes to the 109 K4 compared to the G10. Only the removal of the 20mm option and a new 3D modell (which should go for most 109's I think) and new skin.

[Kurfürst]

Originally posted by Wmaker
Hmm...everybody seems to be so sure about this?

I wonder why because the current AH G-10 does around 450mph at its best alt...I got it going 449mph a while back, IIRC Karnak talked about 451mph figure...(I only roughly checked the best alt from HTC's G-10 speed chart and tried it there...).

My point is that the often found top speed figure from literature is 452mph for the K-4. This speed is usually given for the DB-605DC engined aircraft...

I'm not at home right now so can't check the AH G-10 MAP reading but I've always been under the impression that AH G-10 runs C3 fuel at 1.98...the performance most certainly indicates this.

P.S One thing that seems to be missing from the AH K-4 model is the radio antenna.

Maximum speed was the same at either 1.8 or 1.98ata, ie. the power would remain the same at rated alt because of the supercharger limiting the altitude of extra boost below. With 1.98ata, only the perfromance below 6000-7500m was improved.