Stukas and 88s

[Lan784]

Now i think the Ju-87 (AKA the Stuka) is being left out in AH2 alot. The only time i see a 87 flying is either when im flying it or when a crap load of GVs r attacking a base. Come on guys the 87 was the best dive bomber in BoB to about 1943 or maybe later, give it some respect. If you fly it once you will probably fly it again its not a bad plane at all the armor on it is pretty good the speed is lacking and so is the firepower (MGs), but it makes it up in its bomb load. The 1800kg bomb will take out any hanger if it hits within 20 feet, THATS impressive to me. Also it can out dive half the planes in AH and not compress. Now if a GV attack happened, lets say all panzers then the stuka can take out 5 of them without rearming also impressive and can turn better than a zero so that makes it a little harder for fighters to get a good shot.

Now for the 88s this bomber has an awesome bomb load 20kg bombs and 4 500kg bombs that can out a Fule refinery down to about 30% in one flight. Now i see these a little more than the 87s but still it seems like this bomber is not being respected as it should be. It played as good as a role as the 87 did and it did its job well the armor is also good, speed is fair however the firepower (MGs) is so lacking it shouldnt have em. Although it doesnt seem like a really good bomber but however it is and if you fly it you will think differently of it from that point on.

Now am i right or am i wrong???

Lan784- currently unable to play online due to internet problems.

[bj229r]

The 1800kg bomb will take out any hanger if it hits within 20 feet,

but to DO that, ya would have to fly the thing the requisite 25 miles to GET to said hangar...during which time the Stuka might be able to grab to ...5k?(sure to get away from the spits and LA7's, at its startling speed of..200 mph?)

Also it can out dive half the planes in AH and not compress

Heeh, thats because it never goes fast enough to compress, even in a dive:lol

Now for the 88s this bomber has an awesome bomb load 20kg bombs and 4 500kg bombs that can out a Fule refinery down to about 30% in one flight

Fuel refineries are rather pointless targets, killing hangars is often the most important thing (though certainly not point-producing)....and JU88 comes in like 5th place on that count, plus its utterly defenseless

[lasersailor184]

It's not utterly defenseless.  It's a semi fast bomber.  Plus it can easily dive bomb.




Right now, we are missing the Ju87g with the anti tank cannons.  You only get 6 shots, but that's enough to take out 2-4 tanks.

[Lan784]

Originally posted by bj229r

Heeh, thats because it never goes fast enough to compress, even in a dive:lol
 

No in a dive the stuka will go to 350mph.

[jaxxo]

i would like to see the antitank cannons but they inherently will be misused by base defenders ( i know i would lol) leading to massive whining

[jetb123]

Originally posted by Lan784

Lan784- currently unable to play online due to internet problems.

WOOOOOOT! no more planes flying pass you then 10 seconds later your wing pops off. This time plz get a cable connection

[Raptor]

Originally posted by Lan784
No in a dive the stuka will go to 350mph.

Correct me if I'm wrong... but can't most of the 43-45 fighters do that in level flight...

[Morpheus]

Originally posted by Lan784
No in a dive the stuka will go to 350mph.

In a dive the P47 will go 600.

[Lan784]

jet ever consider its u???? AHHH u didnt

[SuperDud]

And why take a a stuka when you can take a dive bombin lanc?

[Howitzer]

I like your passion about the stuka....

But I have to tell you, when I see Ju87 in the icon of a red plane, I'm drawn to it like a magnet, cus its one big slow target with that huge bomb on the bottom, and it doesn't have the defense as some of the bigger bombers.   But, fly what you love  

[Guppy35]

Originally posted by Lan784
Now i think the Ju-87 (AKA the Stuka) is being left out in AH2 alot. The only time i see a 87 flying is either when im flying it or when a crap load of GVs r attacking a base. Come on guys the 87 was the best dive bomber in BoB to about 1943 or maybe later, give it some respect.

Now am i right or am i wrong???

Lan784- currently unable to play online due to internet problems.

Stuka got pulled off ops in the B of B because they were being massacred.  They built their reputation against folks that couldn't fight back.  

They were obsolete even before that.  That Rudel and company had to fight in them as long as they did says something about some fairly poor planning ahead by their superiors.

If they had adequate fighter protection they could do there job, but there are way too many instances where they didn't have it and got slaughtered.

All that being said, you can have some fun in them in AH, but then again no one's really dying so why not?

[Pooh21]

Originally posted by bj229r
and JU88 comes in like 5th place on that count, plus its utterly defenseless

you have never come up against NIN or myself obviously

[Kweassa]

Little know fact, but Stuka's are very useful - almost ideal - in killing Vbases.

* Vbases rarely have fighter cover in the first strike.
* The 1800kg bomb can take out two of the hangars with one drop.

 So a two-man flight of two Stukas can take down the Vbase without having to setup a bombrun unlike the buff fomation has to - provided, at least one of the two Stukas is piloted by a guy who can drop the 1800kg to knock two hangars that are side-by-side.

[Mustaine]

Originally posted by SuperDud
And why take a a stuka when you can take a dive bombin lanc?

SADLY to say, more true that the reality of the words typed. in the main arena, you can dive bomb 4 or 5 targets with 3 TIMES the bomb payload AND faster than the stuka, then die while doing it, re-up in a nano-second, and repeat.

Originally posted by Howitzer
I like your passion about the stuka....

But I have to tell you, when I see Ju87 in the icon of a red plane, I'm drawn to it like a magnet, cus its one big slow target with that huge bomb on the bottom, and it doesn't have the defense as some of the bigger bombers.   But, fly what you love  

this is also true. i see a "stuka" i see a free kill, kind of like a c47. there is almost ZERO chance of them getting me, no matter what plane i am in. hell a spit 1 (the "early war" one) will chase it down, out turn it, kill it, and walk away licking it's chops.

it is amazing the JU-87 even flew. if the Ma is even 1/4 reality, there is not a single stuka that survived a sortie. there is not a single plane in the MA planeset that can NOT shoot it down with the ease of someone flying with a mouse.

it is a shame, but it is reality, sadly. the JU-87 was a worthless plane, without a chance of even reaching it's target. the stuka is less effective than bi-planes in the MA

to be honest is there ANY slower plane (exception C47 which has no guns) than the JU-87? IF a c-47 had guns even IT would kill a JU-87 EASY.