Author Topic: M1A1 Abrams Main Battle Tank -> Question... (Read 2291 times)

JV44 · « **on:** September 20, 2001, 09:00:00 AM »

Hello...

I just wonder if there was in gulf war no problems with the gas Turbine of the M1A1 because dust is not a friend of the fans of a gas turbine...is???

By the way, your M1A1 use a german Rheinmetall Main Cannon

(Same as in Leopard II German Main Battle Tank)

Andreas (JV44)

Pepe · « **Reply #1 on:** September 20, 2001, 09:11:00 AM »

I think sand filters worked perfectly well in Desert Storm operation.

Hehehe, about your/our Leopard tank, I think its not up to french Leclerc one

...oh!, btw, it's used by Abu Dhabi Emirate.

Cheers,

Pepe

Ripsnort · « **Reply #2 on:** September 20, 2001, 09:27:00 AM »

I saw some show on Discovery that basically said that the Abram silenced all the critics out there during the Gulf war, and was the only mechanical vehicle that did not suffer major problems in the Gulf war. Been a couple years since I saw that 1 hour special, so I have no trace of its name.

Pepe · « **Reply #3 on:** September 20, 2001, 09:35:00 AM »

Rip,

I wouldn't trust 100% Discovery channel when making that kind statements. I saw an F-22 report, where they stated (spanish translation) it could dogfite any plane in the world, even a Su-27

Cheers,

Pepe

Gtoraii · « **Reply #4 on:** September 20, 2001, 10:06:00 AM »

I have read in several places that filters for the M1A1 worked without a flaw, and the tank was very reliable. The only problem with the M1 that you here about consistently is fuel consumption at idle is very high.

The Marine AH-1W? Cobras also had very few problems unlike the Apache.

Toad · « **Reply #5 on:** September 20, 2001, 10:08:00 AM »

Just a wild guess here, but I bet the things that didn't work too well in Desert Storm have be worked on since then.

rogwar · « **Reply #6 on:** September 20, 2001, 10:52:00 AM »

Don't forget that now we have the M1A2 as the primary battle tank. Although there are still a lot of A1s.

funkedup · « **Reply #7 on:** September 20, 2001, 11:42:00 AM »

Pepe I wouldn't be so sure that F-22 statement is wrong.

Replicant · « **Reply #8 on:** September 20, 2001, 11:47:00 AM »

The only real disadvantage of the Abrams is that troops can't follow close behind it. I realise that this tactic is of little use in places like the Gulf War but you never know when it might be needed.

I'm not aware of any Abrams being hit by shells either?

Nexx

Pepe · « **Reply #9 on:** September 20, 2001, 11:52:00 AM »

Funked,

I have my doubts as of wether...errmmm...no. I don't think that Su-27 could get into dogfite range before he's blown outta the sky

Once there, I don't thing F-22 can outfight it.

Hmmm....

Syzygyone · « **Reply #10 on:** September 20, 2001, 12:11:00 PM »

Why can't troops follow behind an Abrahms tank? Speed of advance too high or plan form poor?

Curious

Maverick · « **Reply #11 on:** September 20, 2001, 12:53:00 PM »

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Originally posted by Syzygy:
Why can't troops follow behind an Abrahms tank? Speed of advance too high or plan form poor?

Curious

There is high temp exhaust exiting the rear of the M1 variant. It makes it kinda hard to "hide" behind it as you advance.

This is actually a bit of an outmoded tactic as one of the main strengths of armor is speed and shock. The tank needs to be moving to utilize it's strengths. Advancing under fire at a crawl just makes it more vulnerable to incoming fire.

ANYTHING that can be seen can be hit. ANYTHING that can be hit can be killed if you have the right weapons. NOTHING, including the stealth birds, are going to be invulnerable if they are not utilized correctly. Even if they are, some will likely be casualties. It's the nature of battle.

The armor on a M1 is some of the best ever built. It is NOT the tanks main strength in a battle. The range, accuracy of the gun system and mobility of the vehicle are it's strengths. Any armor can be penetrated so you use it in a manner least likely to get penetrated.

There were some M1's hit in desert storm. I recall seeing the pictures of them. AS I recall (I can't find the particular article in Armor Magazine) they were hits in the engine compartment and back side of the turret. The blast doors and crew safeguards were effective.

Mav

Rebel · « **Reply #12 on:** September 20, 2001, 12:54:00 PM »

Sy,

Lemme put it this way-

The wife of one of the guys on the base parked her Mercedes right behind an M1 in front of Main Tac. The Tanker never saw her pull up, and started the engine.

The whole front end of the car melted.

You see, jet turbines have a funny way of generating incredibly high exhaust gas temperatures

Pongo · « **Reply #13 on:** September 20, 2001, 12:55:00 PM »

You can boil water on the exaust vents behind an abrams. You can follow behind it but you cant shelter behind the hull. Its too hot.

Pongo · « **Reply #14 on:** September 20, 2001, 12:58:00 PM »

There were numerous front angle hits on M1s from 100 and 125mm cannons in the gulf. None penetrated or disabled the vehicle. I read an article about it in Armour magazine when I was still in the forces.