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Offline Wilbus

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P51D vs Zeke fight (MA/DA Discussion and Test with "Cobra")
« Reply #45 on: September 22, 2005, 04:35:38 AM »
Nope. Just above 300mph with no WEP at 35k in the P51B. The WEP is powerfull as hell though enabling it to accelerate to nearly 410mph before running out.
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Offline DoctorYO

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P51D vs Zeke fight (MA/DA Discussion and Test with "Cobra")
« Reply #46 on: September 22, 2005, 10:49:03 AM »
yeah but what widewing didn't discuss is who is flying the zeke..  if its me..  then the best a 51 pilot will be able to do is stalemate me..

the zeke has tons of tricks just like the p51 when you get to learn them..

i fly my zeke constantly maintaining E at about 225-250 once the merge happens..  maybe faster if the enemy lets me and is passive..

at 225 to 250 any attack the p51 brings at me i can evade using a 3-4 g turn..  maintaining energy for his next attack.. (use the system of less g is better..  and match your turn to the enemy's aggressiveness..)

granted i cannot kill the p51 outright unless he allows me to do such..  he's just too fast and can dive away at will..

but some p51's or any other aircraft after about 10 passes with no bullets on target will start to get aggressive (you tell how they set up their attacks its very obvious when the battle rage sets in..) and thats when i conserve e as much a posssible and then follow them up on one of their zooms in lag pursuit..  by using lag pursuit when the stang rolls over the top of his zoom he has no shot..  granted my loop is lower than his most likely but the angle of my loop is in his 6 quarter forcing a impossible shot.. more degrees in the air.. its geometry pure and simple...

 he now has the option to run away.. or die..

he also gives me a low percentage 400-500 m shot (poor in the zeke gun sight..) but with a little practice you get some hits..even at 80mph the zeke can brings guns to bare remember that..  headons or high forward quarter angle is not low class in this situation..  as seen in Wilbus / cobra ditching fight thats all you may need if a fuel or oil hit take place for either the zeke or p51

My honest opinion is that given equal pilots stalemate...  

1 vs 1 is easy for the zeke; multiples is when you bite the farm...


2 cents..


DoctorYo
« Last Edit: September 22, 2005, 10:51:10 AM by DoctorYO »

Offline Stang

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P51D vs Zeke fight (MA/DA Discussion and Test with "Cobra")
« Reply #47 on: September 22, 2005, 12:21:23 PM »
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Originally posted by DoctorYO
yeah but what widewing didn't discuss is who is flying the zeke..  if its me..  then the best a 51 pilot will be able to do is stalemate me..


I'm sorry, I'm sure you're a hell of a stick, but if you meet up with one of the great pony drivers (they are very rare), they'll get ya at least 9 times uot of 10.  The plane is just that much better.

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« Reply #48 on: September 22, 2005, 01:22:34 PM »
Your own arguement kills you YO....your best fight is a stalemate. Bottom line is the zeke cant win the fight....the pony can lose it. Like I said....a good zeke driver can force a vertical two circle "midgame" fight...but thats it. A good pony driver can easily counter that and drive the fight down. Once you run out of room the fight flattens out as you lose the use of the vertical the pony can hang in the vertical obliques and maul the zeke. As you said your counting on a ~500yd hail mary...and if you to hang the prop at 80 IAS and miss...you'll never evade a good pony driver rolling over on you...so in effect you have option A "a vertical lag zoom" which is a defensive manuever designed to maximize E retention and alt and buy you as much time as possible for the other guy to whiff....or option B...which is an aggressive hang the nose and pop off some 20mm and see if I get lucky...or...option C...He goes up I go down...he comes down and I pull up into him and smack him in the kisser....

Meanwhile the pony driver is sitting there playing the you cant run you cant hide and you cant control the fight cards....

Pony wins 9 out of 10 if pilots are equal....

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