Author Topic: Pkease add clear head armor to the new G6 (Read 1181 times)

GRUNHERZ · « **on:** September 22, 2005, 09:15:19 PM »

Many (probably most) G6 had the clear head armor even when mounting the old heavy frame canopy.

BlauK · « **Reply #1 on:** September 23, 2005, 03:56:14 AM »

Yup, Galland panzer was used already before Erla canopy came.

This would nicely further differentiate G6 from G2.

Waffle · « **Reply #2 on:** September 23, 2005, 04:21:26 AM »

I've been drinking...doctors order.......
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whats a galland panzer?

You chatting bout the amored headrest? and the armored glass when you say "clear"?

BlauK · « **Reply #3 on:** September 23, 2005, 05:29:45 AM »

"galland armor".. yes a better translation I guess.

The same thing. The transparent armor glass behind pilot's neck.

Bruno · « **Reply #4 on:** September 23, 2005, 06:08:20 AM »

Yes, please make the head armor clear 'armored' glass similiar to the La-7 (not really but same idea).

Does any one have specs? Thickness etc? How about a good picture as well?

BlauK · « **Reply #5 on:** September 23, 2005, 06:46:07 AM »

I suppose it is the same they already have in G10

Guppy35 · « **Reply #6 on:** September 23, 2005, 11:38:50 AM »

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Originally posted by Bruno
Yes, please make the head armor clear 'armored' glass similiar to the La-7 (not really but same idea).

Does any one have specs? Thickness etc? How about a good picture as well?

Probaby not accurate to say most G6s had it, but clearly some did.

The photo that kept showing up in my stuff was of that group of 7/JG27 109G6s in flight in January 44. The B&W photo doesn't show much detail but it's clearly there on the lead bird but doesn't appear to be on the next closest 109G6 in the flight. This artwork from the Squadron Signals 109 in action part 2 is based on that 7/JG27 bird and shows the clear armor glass in place.

Edited to add a drawing of the armor glass set up with the framed canopy

Two images of the same type of armor glass on the Galland hood.

DipStick · « **Reply #7 on:** September 23, 2005, 12:07:03 PM »

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Originally posted by Guppy35
Probaby not accurate to say most G6s had it, but clearly some did.

Exactly, just as 'some' Spits had 4 20mm Cannons so when we get those Spits, you can have those G6s with the uber glass.

MrRiplEy[H] · « **Reply #8 on:** September 23, 2005, 12:27:17 PM »

Sure when those 4 cannons will get a historic unrealibility factor i.e. shoot high-g and jam guns.

I'm all for it.

BlauK · « **Reply #9 on:** September 24, 2005, 12:58:38 AM »

Guppy, nice pictures.

But you just repeated the common mistake... not Galland hood, but Erla hood. Galland gave his name to the Galland armor, not to the Erla hood

Ack-Ack · « **Reply #10 on:** September 24, 2005, 01:24:45 AM »

Didn't the Spitfire Vc have the 4x 20mm cannons? IIRC, most had 2 cannons removed not because of unreliability with the cannons but rather for performance sake. Unlike the Vb, the Vc had the universal wing that was able to take 4x 20mms quite well.

ack-ack

Ack-Ack · « **Reply #11 on:** September 24, 2005, 01:26:27 AM »

How effective was the armor glass?

ack-ack

Guppy35 · « **Reply #12 on:** September 24, 2005, 01:41:19 AM »

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Originally posted by BlauK
Guppy, nice pictures.

But you just repeated the common mistake... not Galland hood, but Erla hood. Galland gave his name to the Galland armor, not to the Erla hood

Yeah well, I'm a Spit/P38 Junkie, ya gotta expect a mistake on the 109s now and then

Guppy35 · « **Reply #13 on:** September 24, 2005, 01:44:12 AM »

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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
Didn't the Spitfire Vc have the 4x 20mm cannons? IIRC, most had 2 cannons removed not because of unreliability with the cannons but rather for performance sake. Unlike the Vb, the Vc had the universal wing that was able to take 4x 20mms quite well.

ack-ack

Spit Vc could carry 4 cannon. In practice it didn't as the weight penalty was too great on performance and they figured if you couldn't hit it with 2 cannon , you weren't gonna hit it with 4.

The only place I've seen Spits V using 4 cannons was as a ground attack bird in Italy with 2 SAAF Squadron. They also still had the large tropical filter under the nose too so they would have been not the best performing Spit V. That being said, since they were lugging bombs and hitting ground targets, not dogfighting, it made sense.

But that's one squadron out of many to use the 4 cannons. It was not a common occurance at all and as much of a Spit fan as I am, I'd not want to see it in AH. There are other Spits I'd rather see first....Spit XIIs for example. More of them in combat then 2 cannon Spit Vs

Wilbus · « **Reply #14 on:** September 24, 2005, 06:02:14 AM »

AKAK, will try to find sources about effective it was. I am guessing it was as effective as the normal armor that existed on some/most (?) planes though. The difference would be that the armored glass had a much greater thickness. So what it really comes down too is, which of the two solutions weighted most?