I seem to remember a story of un ungunned TA-152 taking on two Tempest causing one to crash?
No it wasn't 'ungunned'. It was Willie Reschke and JG301. Yes it was already deployed to squadron service. Reschke and JG301 also engaged in combat with Yak 9us over Berlin shooting a few of them down.
The point is the 109K does not have to fly at the absolute penultimate performance numbers that it ever achieved and either does the Spit XIV or P-51. The fact is that there were superior fighters in transit to the war zone with fresh pilots in large numbers on the way.
Instead of dealing with speculation lets deal with what happened. That fact is the K-4 saw service, it and the pilots who flew it had 'confirmed kills'.
What K-4 (G-10 )does AH have that flies at 'penultimate performance'? There's no 1.98 ata or 2.03 ata Kurfurst in AH nor will there be (or should be).
How many Ta-152's were built by wars end?
Ta152H-0 Work Number: 150001 to 150020: production by Focke Wulf at Cottbus. (19)
Ta152H-1 Work Number: 150021 to 150040, 150167 to 15169: production by Focke Wulf at Cottbus. Many more Ta152 H-series planned but not build., although possible one Ta152H-2 build at Cottbus. (21/1)
Source: "Focke Wulf 190, Production Line To Frontline" by Malcolm V. Lowe
19 Ta152H-0´s,
21 Ta152H-1
1 Ta152H-2.
Ta-152s saw more combat then any of the allied planes you listed. If you want to speculate about what would have happened if the war in Europe didn't end then why stop there? We can speculate all sorts of other things.
IIRC at the time of introduction into AH the Ta-152 was never a plane folks asked for. Its not a plane that sees a lot of usage. It could disappear from the plane set and all but a few folks would give it a second thought.
The point is there is simply no point argueing about a couple inches of manifold pressure when these aircraft were on the edge of obsolenses by wars end.
No offense but you seem not to know much about LW aircraft. If you want to turn this into a thread about performance then we can but none of the LW planes you listed were or would have been 'obsolete' even compared to those 'super' allied aircraft you listed.
However, I am not arguing anything along those lines. I am correcting your claim that:
3. German aircraft of this variety saw combat in proto-type aircraft with testpilots behind the controls.
All those LW aircraft you listed were deployed into squadron service and had confirmed kills.
Hohun,
I wish Meteors were implemented!
616 Sqn received 2 Meteors Is on 12 July '44. By 2 Aug '44 they had 8. These were in 'service evaluation' and not fully deployed. They did fly sorties against V-1s shooting a couple down on 4 Aug '44. By Sept '44 the V-1 launch sites in Europe were over run and in total the Meteors only intercepted about 16.
Claiming that the Meteor was 'in service' well before the end of the war Europe is an exaggeration on the part of Widewing.
Meteor Is were never in 'full production'.
Beginning in Dec '44 the Marks IIIs (the first variant that can be considered as 'full production') entered production. After receiving Meteor IIIs in Jan '45 one flight from 616 Sdn was set up to defend against 262s for the 2nd TAF but saw no combat.
Sometime in April '45 616 Sqn even flew a few ground attack sorties but other then that saw no 'combat'.
I agree with Squire:
I agree that there is entirely too much emphasis on late 44-45 a/c, in general.
A lot of folks want the latest and 'bestest' late war wonderwaffe or Allied super plane. I for one would prefer more planes from before '44 on down. Even then I would prefer planes that most represent what was common at the the time rather then rare.
I am not sure how much influence the players have over the developers in deciding which planes get added to this game but even so it appears a lot of folks think WW2 air combat only revolves around the last 6 months of the war.
I am not to sure what this thread is about and I don't want to hijack it any more so I will leave it to you...
