Author Topic: I want my HE111 please!  (Read 1192 times)

Offline Karnak

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« Reply #30 on: September 25, 2005, 09:50:11 PM »
The He111 did not have a habit of breaking in half during normal landings.  It was much, much tougher.  The Fw200 had no business being employed as a warplane.  The He111 was designed as a bomber (under the camoflage of being a passenger aircraft) and damage was something it was intended to take to some degree.  Your pat little guesses to the contrary, there is no evidence that the Fw200, with a reputation for being fragile, was more durable than the He111 which lacks such a reputation.

Maximum Speeds:

He111H-3: 258mph
He111H-16: 270mph

Fw200C-3: 224mph
Fw200C-8: 205mph


So you think that putting a max load on the He111 will slow it down to 205mph whereas putting a maximum load on the Fw200 will not slow it down at all?  That is silly.  They'll both be slower when loaded and the He111 will still be faster.

From my point of view those payloads are so close as to be functionally the same and both are significantly lower than the Ju88A-4's payload.

The fact is that if a German bomber needs to be added to fill a gap neither the He111 or Fw200 will do that.  For gap filling you need to look at the Do217, Ju188 or He177.  For scenario purposes the He111 is far more useful than is the Fw200.

I will readilly admit that the thought of hunting Fw200s in a Mosquito fills me with warm, fuzzy thoughts, but that is hardly a fair contest, just as imbalanced as it was in reality.
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Offline OntosMk1

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« Reply #31 on: September 25, 2005, 10:27:50 PM »
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He-111 would be neat BUT the 88s do a better job all round.
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« Reply #32 on: September 25, 2005, 11:03:54 PM »
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Originally posted by Karnak
The He111 did not have a habit of breaking in half during normal landings.  It was much, much tougher.  The Fw200 had no business being employed as a warplane.  The He111 was designed as a bomber (under the camoflage of being a passenger aircraft) and damage was something it was intended to take to some degree.  Your pat little guesses to the contrary, there is no evidence that the Fw200, with a reputation for being fragile, was more durable than the He111 which lacks such a reputation.


LOL temper, temper Karnak. You're mistaking metal fatigue from being repeatedly overloaded with bombs with actual structural weakness. The USAAF lost many bombers under similar circumstances, but I don't think the B17's or B29's were "weak" because of it. Hitler himself had a Fw200 as his personal aircraft, I doubt very much he would have if the plane wasn't structurally sound. The He111 got a reputation for being tough during the Battle of Britain. In reality however it only showed the inadequacies of RAF armaments at the time. Once the Spits were toting cannons the He111's were easy targets.
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« Reply #33 on: September 26, 2005, 05:41:21 AM »
Certainly the Fw200 would be a very odd choice over a He-111 or a Dornier 17 in AH.
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« Reply #34 on: September 26, 2005, 01:41:50 PM »
I don't really care what bomber we get since I don't fly bombers, but a Ju188 or a He177 would be nice.

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« Reply #35 on: September 26, 2005, 02:40:40 PM »
The FW 200 was a pain for the british in its antiship role
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« Reply #36 on: September 26, 2005, 02:43:49 PM »
This is one hell of a long 'I-want-a-Heinkel-111' thread!

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« Reply #37 on: September 26, 2005, 02:48:11 PM »
lol yes, since the game is unplayable due to extreme lag and packet loss, everyone is on the forum :)
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« Reply #38 on: September 27, 2005, 03:46:42 PM »
If He-111 is added, would it be too much to request with an Iraqi paintjob?


I meant He-111, not He-11.
I dont even know what an He-11 is let alone if any ever got to Iraq
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