So I'm watching "Band of Brothers"...

[Rino]

Originally posted by Howitzer
I suppose I've commented on this before, but in case I haven't, I'll do it now.   History obviously has its place in all of our hearts, but I just don't see adding a GV to the game that will just get pwned by anything but an M8 for history's sake.  If it were a pershing or something else that could stand up 1 on 1 with the german armor, I'd be fine with it.  But the simple fact that the American advantage of simply producing more tanks than the Germans does not apply to the gameplay we see here, so it is mostly irrelevant and makes for lopsided fights.

Just my thoughts...

     Welp, if you put in a latewar Sherman to match the latewar
PzKw IV, the ownage should be pretty even.  Of course the GV
war here is pretty much fantasyland to begin with.

[Cooley]

sorry if a bit OT, but has to do with Band of Brothers

remember those Jugs that came in low leval escorting the goons
at Bastogne ?

from 367th Dynamite Gang history....

The German Ardennes Offensive occurred as the holidays approached. A planned move to a field in Belgium was canceled. On the night of December 18th a Forward Air Control Team from the 393rd Squadron was sent to Bastogne to assist the 101st Airborne Division. The team consisted of an experience flight commander, Captain James Parker, a radio operator, a driver and a radio equipped jeep. The team joined the 101st just an hour before the last road to Bastogne was cut. When the weather finally broke, Parker did a superb job of directing the flights of fighter aircraft that were reporting in to him. Bastogne was saved due to the guts and determination of the 101st Airborne Division, Captain Parker, and the Ninth Air Force fighter-bomber pilots.

by Edwin S. Chickering

Group Commander - November 1944 - September 1945

(392nd  393rd   394th were the 3 wings of 367th)
flying 38J's until they ran out, then were moved into Jug40's

[jetb123]

Originally posted by Cooley
sorry if a bit OT, but has to do with Band of Brothers

remember those Jugs that came in low leval escorting the goons
at Bastogne ?

from 367th Dynamite Gang history....

The German Ardennes Offensive occurred as the holidays approached. A planned move to a field in Belgium was canceled. On the night of December 18th a Forward Air Control Team from the 393rd Squadron was sent to Bastogne to assist the 101st Airborne Division. The team consisted of an experience flight commander, Captain James Parker, a radio operator, a driver and a radio equipped jeep. The team joined the 101st just an hour before the last road to Bastogne was cut. When the weather finally broke, Parker did a superb job of directing the flights of fighter aircraft that were reporting in to him. Bastogne was saved due to the guts and determination of the 101st Airborne Division, Captain Parker, and the Ninth Air Force fighter-bomber pilots.

by Edwin S. Chickering

Group Commander - November 1944 - September 1945

(392nd  393rd   394th were the 3 wings of 367th)
flying 38J's until they ran out, then were moved into Jug40's

COOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLEEEEEEEE EEEEEEEY , lol im tired, as you can see. Going tob ed lol

[RedDg]

Originally posted by Bodhi
pathetic... photshop it and remove pony and put in a sherman with a pic....

Yep, would be even better.  But I don't have Photoshop.  Maybe someone who does can change it.

[BlkKnit]

Originally posted by Howitzer
I suppose I've commented on this before, but in case I haven't, I'll do it now.   History obviously has its place in all of our hearts, but I just don't see adding a GV to the game that will just get pwned by anything but an M8 for history's sake.  If it were a pershing or something else that could stand up 1 on 1 with the german armor, I'd be fine with it.  But the simple fact that the American advantage of simply producing more tanks than the Germans does not apply to the gameplay we see here, so it is mostly irrelevant and makes for lopsided fights.

Just my thoughts...

You are talking from a MA
POV, dont forget the other arena's.  we need the sherman!

[BlueJ1]

I want a 88.

[Lye-El]

Originally posted by Cooley
Bastogne was saved due to the guts and determination of the 101st Airborne Division, Captain Parker, and the Ninth Air Force fighter-bomber pilots.

 

And the 10th Armored and 420th Field Artillery.

[Krusty]

Originally posted by BlkKnit
You are talking from a MA
POV, dont forget the other arena's.  we need the sherman!

And what about those other arenas? Say it's used in the CT... as... uh.. what? A sherman, right? What's it going to fight against? Nothing. Nada. Zip. There are no other early war tanks at all that at as weak and pathetic as the sherman. If you put it in, it will be fighting other shermans that were put on both teams (and are acting as stand-ins). No matter how you use it it's just got no contemporaries in AH, so it doesn't matter if it's left out. At this point in time it can't compete, and nothing matches its time frame, so if it's left out there's no hole in the GV set and putting it in would only create a new gap (you'd need an early war panzer). So basically it's pointless.

I love the sherman, sure. But it'd be a total POS in AH2.

[BlkKnit]

yeah, ok.  And the B5N is a beast

Actually..I was thinkin how nice it would be to have it (or something US / allied) for use in the SEA.

[Hornet33]

OK if a tank needs to be added how about one that can go up against a Tiger other than anouther Tiger.

JS-2 Stalin tank would be nice. 120mm main gun. Perk it like the Tiger.

Or the T34-85. That one would have a decent chance againts a Tiger.

[GRUNHERZ]

I'm not sure how much people would like the JS-2.

Its armor would be quite good but would anobody put up with its rate of fire being only 2 shots a minute as was historical because of  very heavy 2 piece ammo and cramped turret - and only 28 rounds of ammo total?

All that for Armor piercing performance scarecly better than Tiger Is 88mm.

[Karnak]

Well, we need two or three versions of the Sherman and another one or two Panzer IVs and another T-34.

We need the 75mm armed Sherman for D-Day and earlier.  We need the 76mm armed Sherman to augment the 75mm after D-Day.  The 17lber armed Firefly would be nice, but not required.

We need the Panzer IV D for earlier time periods and a Panzer IV F would be nice to fill the gap, but not required (and I may be remembering the versions wrong).

The T-34/85 is needed to give some other tank besides the Panzer IV H a viable role in AH's MA and for historical purposes from late 1943 onwards.


As to what the Sherman would fight in the CT, well, German tanks, even the ones that grossly outclass it.

[gofaster]

The problem with the M8 is that it can't climb a hill like a tracked vehicle can.

However, I've been doing ok in the LVTa4 tank, taken from a GV base instead of a carrier.  I just wish it had the 76mm with AP rounds.  And a rocket launcher mounted to the turret (which would make it a popular selection for town attacks and anti-tank work, since you wouldn't have to wait for a reload time).

[SkyChimp]

Very fast very sloppy:p

[gofaster]

Weighing nearly 45 tons with a 90mm gun, the Pershing received its indoctrination into warfare on March 7, 1945 in Remagen, Germany. Although the tank saw limited service during WWII it was well matched against German tanks. At the close of World War II Pershing production stopped at the Detroit Arsenal and slowed at other government arsenals, but at the outbreak of the Korean War full production began. During the war the fast and well-armed M26 performed well against Soviet tanks used by the North Koreans. There were more than 2,400 M26s built, but more importantly other U.S. Army tanks were molded after the Pershing's design. The 1945 M45 with a larger 105mm gun and the 1948 M46 with a more powerful engine were both variations of the original M26.

The Sherman Tank was the main tank used by the United States Army during the Second World War. It replacement, the Pershing M26, wasn't delivered until January, 1945. It had a 90mm gun and its 500hp engine could achieve speeds of 30mph. The tank arrived too late to make much contribution to the war in Europe but it was used in Okinawa in the summer of 1945.