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Offline Russian

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« on: September 30, 2005, 05:48:44 PM »
I’d like to have a serious opinion from this BB. Read snip from my blog (which I kept for over 3 years now) and share your view on this subject, please.

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So ‘critical thinking’ class finally effusively exploded today. While doing the usual one sided lecture, some of the students finally had enough of his behavior. Professor’s abilities to tick off students while his near none-existent ability to show respect and value of student’s opinions finally reached us. We cooperatively were trying to counter his argument with valid points, and as before, while hedging he refuted our ideas completely. As a result with asperity, couple of us voiced our chagrin opinion of his teaching style. He did not muse over what we said, he just blatantly ignored us. That type of sardonic behavior pushed one student over the edge, and she left the class. Others, while shaking their head, continued to sit quietly and listen to his ideas. In the end of the class, I approached him and asked if he understood the reasons of reciprocated chagrin view point. To which he turned towards me and said “Go watch a movie” and left the class. I was shocked by his reply.
Then a student approached me and said that we should go to his office and once again voice our displeasure with him. I replied that that student should contact everyone and on Monday we could try that, although it will not produce any desirable effect. The reason I said that ‘we will not get desired effect’ was because I already tried talking to him about my quiz scores which I felt he did not grade fairly. That interaction with him left abhorrent judgment of that professor.
Now I’m at a loss of what to do. The logical choices so far are:
A) Ignore him, do my own thing and try to pass the class.
B) Confront him again and try to figure out his reasons (Is this experiment on us?)
C) Try to use chain of command or equivalent of it and voice my opinion (which is shared by majority of the class)
D) ……use violence! …..kiddin’ kiddin’

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« Reply #1 on: September 30, 2005, 05:57:40 PM »
simple, take the class do the quizzes, if he is grading unfair ask him what you could do to do better if he responds in a chitty matter go to the dean. or pee in his coffee whatever you choose :aok

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« Reply #2 on: September 30, 2005, 06:02:52 PM »
Kinda obvious there's no doubt the Prof's aware of the displeasure.

What's his function? Personality contest or teaching? The subject.. something esoteric?

You learning anything?

Choices.. if the guy's a complete idiot, film a class. Send it to the Dean.

Get a list of greviences.. set up a petition, turn it over to the school paper.

If you hope to not waste the course time and credits, shut up and pass. If it's important to you to take the guy down, don't go for half measures.. play to win.

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« Reply #3 on: September 30, 2005, 06:13:27 PM »
I had the same question. He may be pissing everyone off, but are you learning critical thinking? Sounds like maybe you are.

I once had a math teacher that reminded me a little of Columbo. He would act like a confused old man sometimes, standing at the board and kinda moaning over a problem,  and we would finally yell out the answers to him like a bunch of exasperated kids. He turned out to be one of the best teachers I ever had.
 
Also... step away from the thesaurus dude.

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« Reply #4 on: September 30, 2005, 06:16:52 PM »
There are a great many Prof's who subscribe to the notion that life isn't fair, nor fun, nor particularly engaging, and go out of their way to insure you do not leave campus in any way dissolusioned about this.

Any approach or viewpoint you take is a precedent setting move on how you will, or instinctively, react to life in general.

I'd look within for your answer on how to handle him.

Critical Thinking class, were you expecting a Nice Teacher?
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« Reply #5 on: September 30, 2005, 06:49:20 PM »
Suck up and get a good grade at all costs.  If you don't, you'll realize in a few years that life really IS a competition and that "friend" of yours in class who got a better grade just took "your" job so you get to flip burgers for another summer.

You gotta set yourself apart from your peers if you want to be anything but just another one of the sheeple, and potential employers and future colleagues won't know how you got those grades.  They'll just see the number.

School is really only one thing.  Yes, it's a place to get education and have experiences you can't get anywhere else while you're growing up, but more than anything else it's a means to an end.  If you want to be smart, then you better do whatever you can to learn.  If you want to get hired, you better get grades.  If you want a degree, you better pass your classes.

If you want to be a martyr, go ahead and fight the professor.

I suggest you carefully choose your battles and remind yourself why you're there.  Are you there to get something from the school, or are you there to battle demons and rid the campus of an ogre-ish teacher?  Even if you win, it doesn't go on your transcript.

Oh yea, I personally fought a battle or two in school, and ended up with a college GPA that is an automatic disqualifier from advanced degree programs at most major universities.  Remember it's just a means to an end and shut your mouth.  I'm sure you'll still learn something even if it's not what the professor intended you to learn.

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« Reply #6 on: September 30, 2005, 08:14:14 PM »
More or less directed at Eagle,
Before this gets to a ‘I’m young and stupid, and he’s old and wise’ let me share something about myself. Education is not foreign to me, nor is my enemy. I went to school and faced the Russian education system, and then I faced the US education. I completed a High School half a year earlier then regular students and had two jobs in senior year so I know, from experience, about competition and labor intense jobs. While serving 4 years in AF (getting rank below the zone, doing extra activity such as Honor Guard), I’ve completed my major (andragogy) and currently working on finishing general education. When I was working on the major (college staffed mostly by PhD professors) my GPA was 3.75. I could always communicate, find common ground with others and use logic well. I’m far from being rebellious dolt that wants to disrupt class time and always show respect to olders. I’ve never faced such a teacher (He has 20 years experience and a PhD) that would do such an offensive teaching style.

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simple, take the class do the quizzes, if he is grading unfair ask him what you could do to do better if he responds in a chitty matter go to the dean. or pee in his coffee whatever you choose :aok


I’ve already asked about his grading to which he boldly said “you are wrong”.

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Originally posted by Hangtime
Kinda obvious there's no doubt the Prof's aware of the displeasure.

What's his function? Personality contest or teaching? The subject.. something esoteric?

You learning anything?

Choices.. if the guy's a complete idiot, film a class. Send it to the Dean.

Get a list of greviences.. set up a petition, turn it over to the school paper.

If you hope to not waste the course time and credits, shut up and pass. If it's important to you to take the guy down, don't go for half measures.. play to win.

Good luck!


He is instructor to a ‘critical thinking’ which is an introduction to psychology. I wouldn’t say subject is esoteric. In my eyes, it’s not the subject; it’s the person teaching the subject. At the moment, realistically looking at this, I’ve learned in past 6 weeks much less than the rest of my standard courses. Also I had learner’s psychology before with satisfactory grade of A-….  Your ideas about camera, petition and school papers are great, thanks.    


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I had the same question. He may be pissing everyone off, but are you learning critical thinking? Sounds like maybe you are.

I once had a math teacher that reminded me a little of Columbo. He would act like a confused old man sometimes, standing at the board and kinda moaning over a problem,  and we would finally yell out the answers to him like a bunch of exasperated kids. He turned out to be one of the best teachers I ever had.
 
Also... step away from the thesaurus dude.

 Did I learn something? For past 6 weeks, class has been walking in circle learning the difference of thinking and reasoning. Also we have been reading a book called “Amusing Ourselves to Death” by Neil Postman. But this is not about curriculum; it is about his style of presenting it.
(About thesaurus, I’m just practicing my English skills….;)  )  


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Critical Thinking class, were you expecting a Nice Teacher?


Nice? No, I do not care about such things. I do care about people not returning my respect. I do care when he does not even listen to his students, ignoring their opinions. It’s like he is talking to him self, and then asks a question, says to what ever another student answer “NO” and continues on. What ever another student says is wrong…there is no between, gray or compromise. It is always wrong with him. Regardless of facts we provide to him, regardless of our points, its always same NO. Lately no one in class wants to answer because it will always be a NO. On three different occasions a students attempted to walk out because of his disrespect to us. That’s not critical thinking; that is brain fuxking with a side dish of mindless propaganda.

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« Reply #7 on: September 30, 2005, 08:29:45 PM »
nahh... these are academics.
What is this? Psych?

First off, you need to ascertain how vulnerable he is, and how well liked he is in the dept. WHat's his title? Is he an adjunct (fire at will) or full tenured professor?

Right now, it doesn't help for you to go to him direclty. I've never had a problem encouraging critical thinking in front of students, though I've had problems with them actually thinking critically. (as an aside, this is why any University teacher with half a brain likes the guys who come marked on the class list as being on a vet payroll. We may be left-wing freaks, but the guys who paid their dues in terms of military service to get into college A) know why they're there and B) can appreciate an environment where the free exchange of ideas is valued over simple mimicking of the prof's lectures) If this guy is an bellybutton to you, chances are he's an bellybutton to the department as well. For your grade, the best advice is Eagl's: suck it up and play dumb. For the good of the school, you need to go to undergraduate course supervisor in the department. If the prof in question is that guy, go to the chair. If he's the chair, change schools. Anyway, express your concerns in a legitimate fashion. A) get guarantees you will not be named -- do this beforehand if possible. B) don't jump to analysis ("He was hampering our ability to think critically"), but give concrete instances. If you can get multiple witnesses up there, so much the better.
If he's an ass, chances are, many of his peers think so too. Give them some ammunition to help everybody out. If he's an adjunct, he's gone. If he's permanent, and you're lucky, he'll be kicked up into administration so the next batch won't have to deal with im.

If the person you speak to says you should have spoken to the professor first, just state that his actions and behavior not only gave you cause to believe, but also concrete evidence, that dissent would be met with retaliation. Name names, if possible (even better if those people aren't in the group making the complaint).

It's hard to get rid of a college prof, but it can be done. The italians will tell you that the mother of a###oles is always pregnant. I'll tell you that jerks like this always have enemies. Even if you can't help yourself, you can help those who follow.


hell, tape a class (fair use, after all)... and bring that. We do have standards, you know.

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« Reply #8 on: September 30, 2005, 08:31:56 PM »
Then you have a challenge.

How you adapt and overcome will be very interesting. Keep us informed; would love to hear how this one plays out, Russian.

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« Reply #9 on: September 30, 2005, 08:41:38 PM »
I say go for it... revolt. As long as...

You understand what your end-game is. What are you ultimately trying to achieve? His firing? An attitude adjustment? You may achieve the the former, but not the latter. So if you don't really want to get him fired, then there's really no point. If you want to do what's best for you - just transfer out.

But ya know... I've been involved in a couple of these things. An education unto itself. I've felt bad about the outcomes, but there again... it's an education. So I don't discourage it.

College is precisely the time to get freaky and push everything. You're there to learn, and this is no different. God speed.

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« Reply #10 on: September 30, 2005, 08:44:47 PM »
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\The italians will tell you that the mother of a###oles is always pregnant.




Are you from Yonkers NY?


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« Reply #11 on: September 30, 2005, 09:34:55 PM »
Seems like there is only one thing to do.

Toga! Toga! Toga! Toga!


Heyyyy thats it.

Get everyone together and all show up for his class wearing Togas.

Should at least blow his mind
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« Reply #12 on: September 30, 2005, 09:38:16 PM »
You don't want my advice. My advice usually involves an automatic weapon of some sort and at least half a dozen assorted waterfowl.

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« Reply #13 on: September 30, 2005, 09:54:19 PM »
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You don't want my advice. My advice usually involves an automatic weapon of some sort and at least half a dozen assorted waterfowl.


I prefer black jacks and burlap sacs myself. Prob wouldn't be missed much.


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« Reply #14 on: September 30, 2005, 09:59:32 PM »
Those that can, do.....
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