Which State will likely Suceed from the Union First?

[StarOfAfrica2]

As they say Shifty, "Actions speak louder than words."

I dont think Dean would make a great President, only because he gets a little too worked up sometimes and the brain doesnt have time to filter the mouth.  I think alot of us have experienced that, but you have to have that filter if you want to be a good President.  Dean SAYS alot of things, in support of his party (thats his job now yanno).  I've argued for a long time that his actions are far more moderate, and even conservative, than his liberal speech since he became front man for the DNC.  He's trying to keep the liberal Dems close enough to count on.  Every politician talks out of both sides of his mouth, thats what they do.  When they get down to it and have to make a decision on important issues though, you see what they are really like.  I've not seen anything in Dean to make me dislike him, except his big mouth.  And again, thats his job.  To be a mouth.  To distract attention from the little screwups of other Dems.  To maybe draw fire on the Republicans for some of their little screwups, and make them seem bigger.  He's not the most subtle man in the world, so he makes up for it with enthusiasm.  Maybe its just my personality, but I kinda like that.

[Sixpence]

Originally posted by Monk
More likely, the state would split in two.  The LEFT  half is really the RIGHT half.

Nah, the left half works in the right half, and the right half goes camping in the left half. But most important, who would get the six flags?

[Monk]

Originally posted by Sixpence
Nah, the left half works in the right half, and the right half goes camping in the left half. But most important, who would get the six flags?

[Mighty1]

Originally posted by Chairboy
Teasing hell, California IS rich, both economically and in resources.  It would be a formidable country.  Germany is smaller than Oregon and made quite an impression last century, you never know what motivated people can accomplish.

Are you kidding?!

With all the gays and tree hugers living there they could be beaten by France!

They would die off in just a few short years.

[Chairboy]

Right, because gays are pushovers, like in Sparta...  oh..  wait.

BTW, Germany was just a bunch of 'schnitzel eating' and 'lederhosen wearing' polka dancers, right?

[BlkKnit]

Originally posted by ASTAC
I would hope Florida would go first...only one land boarder to defend...and It's my home state.

Ha, with the US's naval power you think thats a good thing?

i guess I dont get this thread, but I would think Utah to be the most likely candidate.

[Chairboy]

I change my vote to Utah, followed by "Pepsi presents California, a wholly owned subsidiary of Lockheed-Disney".

[BluKitty]

My vote is for Vermont ... or Maybe Texas.......

Maybe being on the borders gives you a little perspective?

There or a few advantages to haveing a sizeable federal govement.  However, the federal govement has growen huge, fat and dumb.

We need things like the dollar.... could you see Vermont issueing it's own money!?!?!...   Texas maybe... but not Vermont

And you need defense to a point...(I think the military industriual complex is overbuilt)  But you still need some defensive military, even in the nuclear age.

But for most things..... Small and local is best, otherwise you get Tax dollars pouring out from area's that don't see a federal return .... point and case in recent memory.... the New Orleans levee's lack of federal funding. Instead we get 100 million$ bridges to nowhere in Alaska.

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(California)With all the gays and tree hugers living there they could be beaten by France!

Do you know how San Francisco came to be the 'gay capital' of the U.S.?

I've heard it has something to do with the Navy, and a 'lifestyle' many had adopted during service.... and San Francisco being a big western port.....

And what's your problem with enviormentlists?  Have you ever actually seen a clear cut forest?  The results of a heavy rainfall after? I wonder if you'd be a 'tree hugger' too after such an experiance.

And why does everyone pick on the French?  Would you openly resist with panzers rolling down your block?  Or maybe you'd go 'underground' like the french resistance?

Then you wouldn't have your silly jokes would you?  Facts are such a pain when you are just trying to make a joke

[Mighty1]

^Damn French Tree hugger!

The only thing worse would be a California French Gay Tree hugger.

[Tarmac]

While it isn't directly applicable to seceeding, some of them goofy libertarians have already thought about the relocating issue.  New Hampshire won.

http://www.freestateproject.org/news/media_archive/0098.php

[StarOfAfrica2]

FWIW, I dont think Vermont would ever secede.  They'd be more likely to march on DC and shoot everyone on Capitol Hill, and start over again.

[lazs2]

tarmac... a good book about that is molon labe... it explains why any eastern high population density state is a bad choice...  the eastern egghead libertarians can't drag themselves away tho..

a libertarian takeover would be much smarter in a less populated western state.

lazs

[Tarmac]

Can ya sum it up in a few sentances, Lazs?  Gimme something to go on here.  

Of course in the case of NH and the Freestate Project, they're talking about a political takeover, not anything as extreme as the secession the thread is about.

[indy007]

Originally posted by BluKitty
But for most things..... Small and local is best, otherwise you get Tax dollars pouring out from area's that don't see a federal return .... point and case in recent memory.... the New Orleans levee's lack of federal funding. Instead we get 100 million$ bridges to nowhere in Alaska.

IIRC, there was money for the levee's... it was diverted by the local government to dredge out a harbor that didn't need it.

And what's your problem with enviormentlists?  Have you ever actually seen a clear cut forest?  The results of a heavy rainfall after? I wonder if you'd be a 'tree hugger' too after such an experiance.

The movement was hijacked by anti-capitalists a long time ago. Now the message is so convoluted it's painful. You know we've only lost 1% of our total woodlands in the last 100 years right? Lumber companies aren't stupid. They renew their supply by planting more trees so they continue to have a product.. or they'd be out of business. The problem is actually in the 3rd world where there is no regulation of any sort and the forests are cleared for farmland.

If you want fun, go to a rally/protest/whatever with a petition to ban Dihydrogen Monoxide. You'll get hundreds of signatures to ban water (it's used in pesticides & nuclear plants!). It's how middle & upper classes assauge their guilt at having a high standard of living.

And why does everyone pick on the French?

Because it's easy.

[Rude]

Originally posted by Hangtime
Mayhaps the question should be 'which state is least likely to accept federal troop or agency incursion ala posse comitatus?

I ask because I may be considering relocating. Would like to be in a place where the folks are less likely to regard the federales as 'buddies'.

The three that come to mind off the top of my head are Idaho, Utah and Vermont. Any I've missed? Worse, any I've picked in error so far?

I've told my family that if Hillary somehow finds the White House, that we will move back to Texas....it's the only state that would ever suceed from the Union.