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Offline Eagler

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« Reply #15 on: July 03, 2001, 09:10:00 AM »
be an interesting poll, those that were spanked as a child and those not, what they became as an adult - conservative or liberal. My guess is the majority of non spankies are our current day libs. Running this scenario out, I see the ratio of libs growing tremendously as the average parent in today's society doesn't seem to want to put forth the effort in disciplining their child correctly. Just go to any mall or restaurant to see the result...
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« Reply #16 on: July 03, 2001, 09:14:00 AM »
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[q]A small child is like a puppy in many ways. Positive reinforcement & love along with proper corrective measures will raise them both properly in most cases.[/q]

LOL, Eagler! Yeah, I can visualize you hitting a 4 month old child on the head with a rolled up newspaper and rubbing "it's" nose in a poopy diaper!

I got the video if you want to see it   :)

You know what I mean, an undisciplined child/adult is just as bad if not worse in some case as an over disciplined one

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« Reply #17 on: July 03, 2001, 09:31:00 AM »
Ask any kid today.  Taking away his/her Playstation for an extended period of time is a far worse punishment than a sore bottom.   :D

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« Reply #18 on: July 03, 2001, 09:44:00 AM »
Guys, you may have missed my point.  Both punishment and positive re-inforcement are required.  They go hand in hand.  Spanking a child should be used in extreme conditions, but not on a day to day basis.  My kids get a  "Swat on the butt", which is a swift, sharp smack, just once, on the bottom, only after all other avenues have been exhausted, ie, time out, sent to room...then they get the swat.  Without some form of physical punishment as an ends to a mean,you're just asking for more problems down the road.  YOU must set the standard.  If you don't the childs unwanted behavior WILL set the standard for you.  However, as much as physical response is needed in unwanted behavior, positive re-inforcement is a MUST to PREVENT that behavior.  Take the time to tell your child how proud you are of them for behaving so well at times such as, going out to a restaurant when they behave well, or sharing toys with a sibling, etc.  Its like positive/negative current with electricity, one does not exist without the other.  Its my opinion that spanking is okay, as a last resort to unwanted behavior.  Its also my experience that one does not have to resort to spanking IF they use enough positive re-inforcement...but to say you'll never spank your kids is just inviting them to dictate to you what type of behavior you will have to put up with.

Again, beyond a certain age, say, 5, spanking is non-value added, and as mickey said, there are more effective options.

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« Reply #19 on: July 03, 2001, 10:10:00 AM »
Today's behavior is a direct result of the anti-spanking crowd. We have more crime and anti-social behavior than at anytime in history.

Heck, some towns are being forced to disband little league ball teams due to the violence at the games amongst the spectators, mainly the parents. Sheesh.

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« Reply #20 on: July 03, 2001, 10:27:00 AM »
I disagree Apache. What's biting us on the bellybutton is that we have ignored our children for the past 15 years. We've let them raise themselves. The problem isn't that we haven't spanked them. The problem is we haven't taken the time to raise them. In most families, both parents either work outside the home, or it is a single parent home. Young kids are farmed out, older ones are turned into latch key kids.
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« Reply #21 on: July 03, 2001, 10:34:00 AM »
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I disagree Apache. What's biting us on the bellybutton is that we have ignored our children for the past 15 years. We've let them raise themselves. The problem isn't that we haven't spanked them. The problem is we haven't taken the time to raise them. In most families, both parents either work outside the home, or it is a single parent home. Young kids are farmed out, older ones are turned into latch key kids.

That ties in, your both right as the parent(s) when they return home from work does not want to be the "bad guy" and disipline their child when they warrant it. The guilt of latch keying or farming them out for materialistic gain plays into it also...
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« Reply #22 on: July 03, 2001, 10:39:00 AM »
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Today's behavior is a direct result of the anti-spanking crowd. We have more crime and anti-social behavior than at anytime in history.

Heck, some towns are being forced to disband little league ball teams due to the violence at the games amongst the spectators, mainly the parents. Sheesh.

Really?  I thought it was due to video games and movies.  I mean that's what people say.

Actually, the parents in the stands of little league games are a bunch of moronic idiots who don't understand the value of little league in the first place.  To think that your kid is out there to win is laughable at best.  The kid is out there to HAVE FUN first and foremost.  Then to learn about teamwork.  Then to learn how to handle losing and winning.  They are not there for the parents to say "my kid is better than yours."

Regardless I don't see how your statements are related.  The parents that use physical violence in the stands at a baseball game, I would think, would be more prone to physical discipline of their children.
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« Reply #23 on: July 03, 2001, 10:49:00 AM »
I think its a combination of BOTH lack of discipline and ignoring kids.  The secret to parity is alittle of one, and alot of the other, ie, some discipline, lots of quality time spent together.

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« Reply #24 on: July 03, 2001, 10:52:00 AM »
in all fairness, I think this discussion should be limited to those of us that have/are raising kids. To talk of child discipline without going through it, is like a man talking about women cross your heart bra discomfort. Other than StSanta, none of us are qualified to comment on that subject either  :)
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« Reply #25 on: July 03, 2001, 10:55:00 AM »
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Originally posted by Apache:
Today's behavior is a direct result of the anti-spanking crowd. We have more crime and anti-social behavior than at anytime in history.

Heck, some towns are being forced to disband little league ball teams due to the violence at the games amongst the spectators, mainly the parents. Sheesh.

That's certainly the perception.  Actually, violent crime continues the downward trend it has been on for a long time now.  What's different is that we see more, partly in our entertainment and partly in increased coverage of events (thirty years ago you didn't see tapes of street violence in Bangkok on TV in the US).

As for the Sports Parent syndrome, that is far more due to the emphasis on winning (and for some dreamers, the vision of a child growing into some mega-money franchise) than it has on whether or not they were spanked.

My dad would, on very rare occasions, apply the hand.  Usually a single swat on the butt. What that told me was that I had REALLY screwed up. I think if one can raise a child without striking it, its probably better.  If corporal punishment is used, though, it has to be an exception to the norm - a real "attention getter".  If it becomes expected or common it loses any disiplinary value and becomes just a way of the parent getting his/her own frustrations out.  There's a thin line between "Pop is someone I respect" and "Pop is a bully".

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« Reply #26 on: July 03, 2001, 10:56:00 AM »
Hehe Eagler, true.

That reminds me of my discipline, you see, my mom and dad say I was spanked, but frankly, I don't remember it...I do remember my father getting 'in my face' with gritted teeth, and verbally giving me some discipline (without 4 letter words) and that was enough to scare the be-jesus outta me...so, by that age, spanking was no longer needed, just the threat of one from dad was enough to get all 3 of us kids in line.  Quality time was always present...I actually feel sorry for the rest of you, since the best father in the world belongs to me...respect is something you can't teach kids, its something that is earned thru years of companionship.

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« Reply #27 on: July 03, 2001, 10:57:00 AM »
Beautifully said Yoj.

I might add, that my signature says it all, though it appears as 'fear', it is in reality 'respect'.  Its a joke on the phrase itself, and what society today has become.

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« Reply #28 on: July 03, 2001, 10:58:00 AM »
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I disagree Apache. What's biting us on the bellybutton is that we have ignored our children for the past 15 years. We've let them raise themselves. The problem isn't that we haven't spanked them. The problem is we haven't taken the time to raise them. In most families, both parents either work outside the home, or it is a single parent home. Young kids are farmed out, older ones are turned into latch key kids.

woah there...  Let's not go blaming everything on working parents!  My mom has worked my entire living life, save for the maternity leave.  I was "farmed out" as you said.  I don't remember really early childhood, but once school started, I came home from school and I had a babysitter until Mom got home.  During the summers, babysitters or I stayed with my grandmother (which is pretty much like staying with mom, though you do get away with more usually!)  First babysitter I remember was a nice woman (who became a family friend and remained so well after she stopped sitting for me until she passed away).  After that, babysitters were my mom's co-workers high school aged kids.  I had 3 of them over time.  Basically they watched after me while mom was at work until I got to 6th grade.  After that I was a latchkey kid, tho mom would usually get home right after me then.  During the summers after that, I was usually left by myself at home (only child, stepsiblings didn't live with us).  I generally just played with the neighborhood kids, so I wasn't lonely or anything.  Well, I turned out pretty alright, I think.  A little messed up here and there, but who isn't???   ;)

Point is, Mom did the best she could when she was home, and she made damned sure that when she wasn't the person there kept me in line.  The assertion Mom made was, if I messed up for the babysitters, Mom would make the punishment twice as bad as if it had been under Mom's "watch."  So if it woulda merited a month of TV restriction, woulda been 2 months.   ;)  Needless to say, I was 99% angel with the babysitters!  (also helped that 2 of them were HOT!!  I loved having a pool!!!   :D )

Anyways, working parents can still be effective parents.  They just need to make sure that the person watching over their children is 100% responsible and trustworthy.  I'm glad mom worked.  She enjoys her job, and I'm happy me being born didn't take it away from her.
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« Reply #29 on: July 03, 2001, 11:03:00 AM »
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Originally posted by Eagler:
in all fairness, I think this discussion should be limited to those of us that have/are raising kids. To talk of child discipline without going through it, is like a man talking about women cross your heart bra discomfort. Other than StSanta, none of us are qualified to comment on that subject either   :)

I disagree.  I may not have children, but... a) I was a child and remember how/why my parents disciplined me.  I'm only 26, I'm not THAT far removed from my childhood.  b) I might WANT to have children one day, so I SHOULD post my thoughts on the subject so if I'm totally screwed up, YOU can make my life (and the future kid's life!!) a little easier!   ;)
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