Late war RAF Spit/Seafire landmarks

[Kev367th]

Just browsing around came across a few sites, wondering how accurate -

Feb 44 - Last Hurricane delivered - a Mk IIc to 309 Sqn.
Mar 44 - 1st deck landing Seafire XV (Griffon Engine)
Mar 44 - 1st flight production Spitfire F.21 - handling not acceptable.
April 44 - Last Sea Hurricanes leave carriers.
April 44 - Spit IX dived to Mach 0.89
June 44 - Some Mk XIV modded to 150 fuel for V1 intercepts.
July 44 - 616 Sqn recieves Meteors
Aug 44 - 1st kill V1 by a Meteor
Sep 44 - 1st flight Seafire F.46
Sep 44 - Spit XII retired
Sep 44 - Modded Spit Mk IX crosses Atlantic via Iceland
Oct 44 - Mod of standard F.21 into a Seafire F.45 starts
Oct 44 - 1st jet fighter shot down - by a Spit XIV
Nov 44 - 1st FR XIV enters service
Nov 44 - 1st Seafire F.45 delivered (navalised Spit F.21 - 50 built)
Jan 45 - Delivery Spit F.21 to 19 Sqn
Mar 45 - 1st deliverys of Spit F.22

[Bruno]

July 44 - 616 Sqn recieves Meteors

Well at least according to what you posted it seems a bit simplified

616 Sqn received just 2 Meteors Is on 12 July '44.

Meteors Is did fly sorties against V-1s shooting a couple down on 4 Aug '44 in what would be considered 'operational evaluation'. Meteors Is were never in 'full production' and never were 'fully deployed' into squadron service. IIRC the 1s intercepted and destroyed 13-16 V-1s.

The Meteor III was the only Meteor to enter 'full production' and to be fully deployed in Dec '44 (616 Sqn).

After receiving Meteor IIIs in Jan '45 one flight from 616 Sdn was set up to defend against 262s for the 2nd TAF but saw no combat.

Later in April '45 616 Sqn flew a few ground attack sorties but thats about the extent of the 'Meteor in Combat'. I wouldn't mind flying one in game, however, I can think of one-hundred other aircraft I would like to see first.

The above is just one example, I am not going to go through each one but you get the idea. Accuracy is in the eye on the beholder., IMHO its accurate only to a degree. Again only going by what you posted. It would have been more useful to provide a link.

[Kev367th]

CC
Wasn't asking for a Meteor in the game was just a rough 'timeline' (for want of a better word), for some late war RAF landmarks.
Thats why I included stuff like the Spit IX flying the Atlantic, Hurricanes being withdrawn etc.

[Guppy35]

Originally posted by Bruno
Well at least according to what you posted it seems a bit simplified

616 Sqn received just 2 Meteors Is on 12 July '44.

Meteors Is did fly sorties against V-1s shooting a couple down on 4 Aug '44 in what would be considered 'operational evaluation'. Meteors Is were never in 'full production' and never were 'fully deployed' into squadron service. IIRC the 1s intercepted and destroyed 13-16 V-1s.

The Meteor III was the only Meteor to enter 'full production' and to be fully deployed in Dec '44 (616 Sqn).

After receiving Meteor IIIs in Jan '45 one flight from 616 Sdn was set up to defend against 262s for the 2nd TAF but saw no combat.

Later in April '45 616 Sqn flew a few ground attack sorties but thats about the extent of the 'Meteor in Combat'. I wouldn't mind flying one in game, however, I can think of one-hundred other aircraft I would like to see first.

The above is just one example, I am not going to go through each one but you get the idea. Accuracy is in the eye on the beholder., IMHO its accurate only to a degree. Again only going by what you posted. It would have been more useful to provide a link.

Good grief Bruno.  It was just some trivia.  It amazes me how fast any of the Luftwaffe contingent jumps on anything like this.

Relax.  The war's been over for a long long time.

I realize the LW won the war and that the 109/ 190 or your LW plane of choice was the greatest plane ever.

[OttoJ]

Good grief Guppy.  It was just some details.  It amazes me how fast any of the Allied contingent jumps on anything like this.

Relax.  The war's been over for a long long time.

I realize the Allies won the war and that the Spit/P-51 or your Allied plane of choice was the greatest plane ever.

[tikky]

Originally posted by OttoJ
I realize the Allies won the war and that the Spit/P-51 or your Allied plane of choice was the greatest plane ever.

Yey you finnaly got it in your inpenetrable brain of yours...

I swear the nazis here are taking every topic/conversation to the next level.

[OttoJ]

Rule #5

[SELECTOR]

hehe im in..
actually first v1 kill by a meteor was not by gun fire.. the pilot had to tip the bomb with wing tip...
and yes the spit and p51 was better than any luft plane....

[Karnak]

Originally posted by tikky
I swear the nazis here are taking every topic/conversation to the next level.

That is not appropriate.  Do not ad homme people with that epithet.  Nobody here has ever, that I have seen, actually expressed admiration for the Nazis or their political ideals.  Liking German war machines in no way makes one a Nazi.

[Krusty]

Originally posted by Kev367th
Oct 44 - 1st jet fighter shot down - by a Spit XIV

I can't believe that. They must have had losses earlier. Especially against bombers. Plus most of the anecdotal tales about shooting down 262s come from USAAC p51s and the like.

[Krusty]

Originally posted by Guppy35
Good grief Bruno.  It was just some trivia.  It amazes me how fast any of the Luftwaffe contingent jumps on anything like this.

Relax.  The war's been over for a long long time.

I realize the LW won the war and that the 109/ 190 or your LW plane of choice was the greatest plane ever.

Guppy I think ya might be overreacting on this one. In other posts Bruno has shown a like for LW planes, but this post has nothing to do with that. He even posted the correct trivia, and kev agreed but pointed out he was simplifying things. To say "the LW contingent [edit: whatever the hell that means] is jumping on this thread" makes no sense, as we are talking about RAF accomplishments and bruno has not made any posts contrary to such.


Just sayin'...

[Kev367th]

Originally posted by Krusty
I can't believe that. They must have had losses earlier. Especially against bombers. Plus most of the anecdotal tales about shooting down 262s come from USAAC p51s and the like.

It was an RAF timeline.

First 262 ever shot down possibly Aug 28 1944 by a pair of P-47's, whereas first documented combat was versus a Mossie that escaped (July 25 1944)

Funnily enough also seen claims that 262s on a single engine could barely stay in the air, unlike AH2. Also if lost below 290kph (180mph) would inevitably end in a crash.
Is ours too forgiving? Flow single engine a few times with no problems.

Only ref to losses I found was-
1430 produced.
220 went operational.
120 shot down (assume most takeoff/landing/on ground).

[Krusty]

Originally posted by Kev367th
It was an RAF timeline.

aahhh, stupid me

Interesting stuff. I think AH is far too forgiving in many areas, drag included.

A 262 one one engine in AH.. hrm.. I've been able to fly on it, but I've never survived a landing in one. It's uncontrolable at low speeds (best you can hope for is a controlled ditch, wheels up or down, forget about lining up on the runway).

I can believe it. The engines were less powerful than the prototype and trial models. They needed both just to fly. Had they been equipped with the harder to produce but more powerful engines (can't remember the name) they might have had better acceleration and better single engine handling.

[MiloMorai]

Kev, you need to do an edit. The 262 was shot down by Kurfy's dog of a Spitfire, the Mk IXs of RCAF 401. This was the 262, WNr 170093, flown by Hptm H-C Buttman, KIA, in the Nijmegen area.

[Kurfürst]

There we go, Guppy, Milo and Kev frothing in the mouth about the Luftwaffe, as usual.  Sad, really if one hates the other guys plane than likes his own. Appearantly their hate for it is stronger than their love, for they turn every single thread this way.