4th of july coming up, talk about BALLS

[Wotan]

this oughta keep your panties bunched ....  

I actually was present at an American Friends
 of the BNP meeting outside Wash DC where Mr.
Irving participated in a teleconference prior to that "trial"..
 

And he rationalizes things with very little evidence so if you suggesting I am a follower of his version of history your wrong..........


 

1) Britain tells Hitler to curb his expansionist plans in Europe.  

yeah but really does nothing to see that he remains contained. Germany was militarily was weak but I can understand britians aversion to enter into another war...

 

2) He takes the Sudetenland of Czechoslovakia and Britain turns a blind eye since most of the population there is German anyway.

Partialy true but the majority of the population of the Sudetenland supported reunification with germany proper. Again british will to war was low.

 

3) He takes Czechoslovakia wholesale.

yes but was neccesary to create a buffer zone from the USSR especially since at that time it is probrable that hitler was in negotiations with Stalin over the non-aggression pact should germany be forced to defend prussia and secure a corridor from germany proper to prussia.

 

4) GB states catergorically that an invasion of Poland would not be tolerated and war would ensure.

yes but britain then really doesn't do anything to help poland and turns a blind eye to finland and the rest of eastern Europe.

 

5) Hitler invades Poland

on the pretext of defending germans from polish aggression. now you'll say that germans dressed like poles and faked the whole thing to justify invasion. I have read different things and quite possibly this is true but when britain declared war thus starting ww2 they had no way to determine whether germany may or may not have been justified in reacting in such a way that another nation would have. Again they ignored the Soviets all  together.

I suspect that britain was relying more on france then their own military into keeping germany contained. but either way britain declares war....... fact  

Now you're thinking thats how I came to the conclusion on britain starting a war with germany.........

well wrong......Read the theme thru all my replies ..

ww2 was inevitable given what happened at the end of ww1. The majority of which were instigated by GB. Plus many other things contained in The Versailles Treaty.

The Versailles Treaty

So my contention that britain started a war with germany is valid. Dont confuse that with how the war was waged.

I never said anything about "british aggresion". I said britain was weak and in decline not just in the historical sense that empires decline but in every sense from culture to very type of man being born there.

Trafalgar, Waterloo long time ago mate. I suspect a good amount of viking blood remained in the man of that time.......  
unlike the brit of today .......  

 

But ignorance is your forte - and you do it so well.

maybe but its not wrapped in self-rightous dilusion.......  

and if those movies you listed agree with my points maybe I oughta go see the them....... but I suspect the hollywood cookie cutters were used on each and I avoid those types of films as much as possible.......

have you seen Clockwork Orange  more my style................  
maybe there is something redeeming in british modern culture but then that was 20+ some years ago...........  

StSanta I'm not quite the flag wavering love or leave it type.

Most of what is happening in my country sickens me I was just pointing out to those on the foggy island the reality of their condition.........

[ 07-07-2001: Message edited by: Wotan ]

[Dowding]

Yup, Santa that's about how much I know. I'm just interested in comparing how British schools teach history to Danish. I was never taught about Wellington, India etc etc. More the Aztecs, agricultural reform of Britain (yawn) - we were taught about the origins of WW1 and the main events and the rise of Hitler.

I think the British were pretty ruthless about the way they dealt with Denmark - the Danish fleet was a threat and it had to be eliminated before the French got hold of it. I don't think they would have devastated Copenhagen if the Danish fleet had sailed to British harbours for protection. But I can't see how the Danish would do that - its asking alot.

 

There's been some fighting with the Brits, and for now, Denmark have cancelled their operations concerning and invasion of the Brit isles and the killing of all the pale ugly people there

lol   Nice one.

 

I actually was present at an American Friends
of the BNP meeting outside Wash DC where Mr.
Irving participated in a teleconference prior to that "trial"..

Present in what capacity? As a friend of neo-nazi racists or just as an observer? I don't know why you say "trial" - I think it was a fair outcome - like you say, his assertions lack any corroboration with the weight of historical records.

For anyone who doesn't know who the BNP (British National Party) are - they are a racist organisation populated by violent racists who have links with neo-Nazi groups such as Combat18. Up until very recently, they advocated the forceful repatriation of all ethnic minorities.

In relation to the initiation of WW2, you essentially agree with the points I made. I was stating facts - the true motivations for Britain declaring war at that point can debated endlessly. The upshot of it all is that it was a positive action againt a perverted regime - I believe that is the important thing.

As for the origins of WW2. Versailles is vital to the motivations of Hitler. But the support he found from the influential middle and upper classes only came after the Wall Street Crash bankrupted those social classes. Before the crash, he had no support - afterwards, his promises of glory, wealth and protection from the communists (especially important for the land/asset owning parts of German society) swung support from the moderates to himself in the elections in the early 30s.

 

I said britain was weak and in decline not just in the historical sense that empires decline but in every sense from culture to very type of man being born there.

Are you heavily involved in liasion with the BNP? Because that is exactly the kind of self-pitying, 'chip on the shoulder', pseudo-patriotic crap they spout.

It's overtly racist and I find it deeply offensive.

The ironic thing is, you allude to saying the same thing about the US. Unsurprisingly, every racist in every country is saying the exact same thing.