Request for specific beefs with Hillary Clinton

[Chairboy]

Howdy!

As you all may know, I'm no fan of the Clintons.  But I have encountered an almost feverish hatred on this board specifically for Hillary Clinton, and the supporting data for WHY people hate her so much seems to be missing.

As a result, I'm requesting a list of grievances with supporting data.  In the absence of this, I will assume that it's a basic disregard for women in power, and I hope terribly that there's more to it than that.

Keep it civil, and keep to the facts please.

Thanks!

[GtoRA2]

Chair
 I don't have a good answer. For me she just seems like a sleeze.


I have asked why people like her before, from those who do and none have a good answer either.




On a side not have you seen Bill recently? He looks like death warmed over. That TV add with Bush 1 and him in it, he looks worse the Bush!

[Rude]

Originally posted by GtoRA2
Chair
 I don't have a good answer. For me she just seems like a sleeze.


I have asked why people like her before, from those who do and none have a good answer either.




On a side not have you seen Bill recently? He looks like death warmed over. That TV add with Bush 1 and him in it, he looks worse the Bush!

She's a Marxist bent on changing our Country to a Socialist State....completely different view of what America should be compared to our founding fathers....do some reading...preferrably not on the internet.

[GtoRA2]

Rude,
 Any book sugestions?

[Pooh21]

I have no problem with a female president of the US. But that is always what is said, oh oh you dont like her because she is a woman.


No I dont like her because she is slimy, stayed with Billy cause it was a sure path to power. But mainly I dont like her because she is a red flaming socialist. Hell have her go run Canada or something

[Sandman]

Originally posted by Chairboy


Keep it civil, and keep to the facts please.

You're dreaming.

[Hangtime]

My Ex likes her.

That's good enuff for a no vote from me.

[Chairboy]

So far we've got:

*She seems like a sleaze/slimy person.
*She's a marxist
*My ex likes her.

Of the three above, #2 sounds like the most verifiable.  Is the main evidence for that her work on national health care?

[Gunthr]

socialist: remember her disastrous health care plan?

her eye-rolling during televised speeches doesn't seem at all Presidential.

my impression is that she lusts for power and will do, or say, whatever it takes...

[Chairboy]

Do you have a basis for the 'she lusts for power' impression?  What specific action do you attribute to this impression?

I'm not a Clinton apologist, I just want to certified-witness this a little to get some facts out there to back up some POV.

[Gunslinger]

Personally,

I don't like her because she is not a "what you see is what you get" type person.  Her convictions seem to be based off of opinion polls and not personal beleifs.  Lately she seems to be centering herself in order to seem like a more "electable" canidate in 2008.  Electabitlity is important but it isn't the ONLY thing I look at.

[Toad]

She is a leftist trying to redefine herself as a moderate. She will do/say whatever she needs to get elected while running as a "moderate" but I believe that once in power she'll revert to her true core beliefes.

Throughout her life, she’s been consistently anti-military, although she has tempered that in her Senatorial voting.

She's for a nationalized health care system and her attempt a building that concensus was pretty abhorrent. There is a need for some sort of "saftey net" health care but I don't think her ideas are what I want to see. She's a "nanny government is always right" type and I've had far too much of that already.

She's certainly not a 2nd Amendment supporter and that's a litmus test with me. In general, I find that those that support the 2nd share other mutually important values/freedoms/concepts. Those that don't are clearly dangerous in my mind. For example, I can't support Giuliani because he's "wrong" on the 2nd from my perspective. Hillary would be way worse.

She's opposed to changing Social Security so that some of the money is put in the name of the SS taxpayer. I think that's long overdue.

She's against school vouchers... I favor some choice in that area.

She never met a tax cut she liked and conversely she never met a tax increase she didn't like.

I am absolutely certain I'd vehemently oppose her choices for Supreme Court justice and I think the next prez will pick one at a minimum.

There's a few for  you.

That said, I think she has a fine chance of winning if her camoflage doesn't slip.

Think of it as 8 more years of Bill only much more liberal.

[Squire]

"But mainly I dont like her because she is a red flaming socialist. Hell have her go run Canada or something"

Some reason that we would want her any more than you?

Throw the big words around (Socialist), you just dont know what they mean, but it "sounds" insulting, which I guess is easier than having an original thought.

By the way, you let me know when G. W. Bush cuts any of the following, this is just a partial list of what you have in the USA, we wont even get into what your combined local, state, and federal taxes ammount to:

Social Security (OASDI)  
Unemployment Insurance  
Workers' Compensation  
Temporary Disability Insurance  
Health Insurance and Health Services
Medicare  
Medicaid  
Programs for Specific Groups
Veterans' Benefits  
Government Employee Retirement Systems  
Railroad Retirement  
Assistance Programs
Supplemental Security Income  
Temporary Assistance for Needy Families  
Food and Nutrition Assistance  
Food Stamp Program  
Special Supplemental Nutrition Program for Women, Infants, and Children (WIC)  
National School Lunch Program  
School Breakfast Program  
Housing Assistance  
Low-Income Home Energy Assistance  
General Assistance  
Earned Income Tax Credit  

Regards.

[Hangtime]

Here yah go Chairboy. I now have a better reason to not elect her. She's anti-2nd and she lies.

In April of 1999, Bill and Hillary Clinton held a press conference on gun control legislation. Hillary Clinton stated:
"And since the crime bill was enacted, 19 of the deadliest assault weapons are harder to find on our streets. We will never know how many tragedies we've avoided because of these efforts."

Assault weapons were involved in less than 1% of homicides before the assault weapons ban took effect in 1994. The same is true as of 1998.

Source:

Just Facts

[Pooh21]

Originally posted by Squire
"But mainly I dont like her because she is a red flaming socialist. Hell have her go run Canada or something"

Some reason that we would want her any more than you?
Food and Nutrition Assistance  
Food Stamp Program  
Special Supplemental Nutrition Program for Women, Infants, and Children (WIC)  
National School Lunch Program  
School Breakfast Program  
Housing Assistance  
Low-Income Home Energy Assistance  
General Assistance  
Earned Income Tax Credit  

Regards.

if they got rid of all that tomarrow i would not mind. Not like these have already established programs, cant blame Boosh for em.