Stuka..oh please...

[BisonCH]

Originally posted by Nosara
Would  it be possible to have this mod for the Stuka. It was the anti tank model that was used to great effect on the Russian front.

Forward guns
ju.87G-1
2×37 mm BK3,7 cannon


Rear guns
2×7.9 mm
Junkers Jumo  1300 hp

"The Stuka's design featured some innovative features, including an automatic pull-up system to ensure that the plane recovered from its attack dive even if the pilot blacked out from the high acceleration, and wind-powered sirens on the wheel covers that wailed during dives to scare its victims."

And please add the wind-powered sirens so that we can let the ground pounders know we are coming...lol

From what I've read this version of the Stuka was a deadly anti-tank variant. Believe they took the dive flaps off too.

[BisonCH]

Bring it and bring it free. If life as we know it in the game for GVs goes down the toilet, then perk it. That takes all of what, 5 minutes and a server reboot?

Anyway, good discussion.




So true Blammo! Nothing ventured is nothing gained. Bring it on and if it doesn't work then go back to previous settings

[lasersailor184]

How would you like your 60 perk tiger to be popped in one shot by a skilless hack who upped a free plane?

[RTSigma]

Originally posted by lasersailor184
How would you like your 60 perk tiger to be popped in one shot by a skilless hack who upped a free plane?

Same way when I get shot down in a 262 or a Chog

[lasersailor184]

Don't confuse luck with skill.  It's luck that someone caught you in your 262.


It's not luck or skill that a Ju87 will be able to kill a tiger.

[sgtdeaux]

I can usually get two tank kills a run with the 1000kg bomb and two 250kg bombs that the stuka can carry... I get altitude and drop the 1000kg bomb on the tiger then circle and get altitude again and repeat on smaller targets IE.. panzers and Ostys with the 250kg bomb...
This requires skill and great patience.
I dont see how adding another version of this plane that will take MORE skill and patience will possibly unbalance the game.

[Ack-Ack]

Originally posted by lasersailor184
How would you like your 60 perk tiger to be popped in one shot by a skilless hack who upped a free plane?

I'd say live with it.  One of the prices of upping a perked vehicle.



ack-ack

[Tails]

Ok, yess, a Stuka-G could likely blow away a Tiger from the front. I argue the 'no skill' part, because you need to get close enough to count rivets to do it, but it is still possible...

The way I see it, the people whining about a Stuka-G being too powerful, are probably the ones that dont want to worry about needing air superiority before rolling that expensive tank. Face it, the airplane is the mortal enemy of the tank. Tank drivers here do not know this. I think the Stuka-G is NEEDED to remind them of this fact.

[lasersailor184]

Anything with a perk price has an advantage over anything that does not.  

Mainly, they are hard to kill.  Take the 262 for example.  It is perked so heavily because it moves so fast.  It is hard to catch and kill.

Take the Tempest for example.  It is perked higher then the other planes because it moves so fast.  It is hard to kill.

Now take the Tiger for example.  It is perked so heavily because it is resistant to most bombs and shots.  You need to be precise shooting it with another tank or dropping a bomb on it to kill it.


It will take no skill to shoot a Tiger with a Ju87g.  

You can try it yourself.  Up a Hurricane Mk2D.  Fly it out and try to shoot a tank with the 40's.  It's easy to hit a tank, but it's hard to do any damage.

This is not true of the Ju87.  It will be easy to hit a tank, and WILL do damage.


Remember, the F4u1c was perked because of it's affect on the arena, not because it's a super plane.

[Blammo]

Originally posted by lasersailor184
How would you like your 60 perk tiger to be popped in one shot by a skilless hack who upped a free plane?

Sorry, I don't think a "skilless hack" will be able to do much more than crash next to the 60 perk tiger.

Besides, all of this is just guesstimation until and if the plane (and weapon system) is ever modeled in the game.  I still don't see anything to suggest that 1) it will dramatically alter the land warfare game and 2) should be perked out of the gate.  Let it be modeled. Let it be tried out in the MA and if everything the FEAR THE STUKA[/u][/i]  crowd has been saying is true, then perk it.

[lasersailor184]

Blammo, take any plane in existance in AH.  Shoot at a tank, even a moving tank.


It takes no skill to actually hit it.

[Hornet33]

So take a buddy with you in an Ostie to make sure that super uber dangerous "I have to laugh at this" Stuka doesn't kill you in your perked uber Tiger tank. Stuka's not that hard to hit and it's doesn't take allot of hits to bring it down. How fat does a Stuka go anyway? 250ish in a dive with a strong tail wind? You want to perk this thing?????

Dude puff puff pass, your smoking too much of something!!!!

[Blammo]

Originally posted by lasersailor184
Blammo, take any plane in existance in AH.  Shoot at a tank, even a moving tank.


It takes no skill to actually hit it.

I think you have forgotten when you were new to the game.  It comes second nature to you now because you are used to doing it.  To someone who is new, even if they hit the tank they are likely to auger.  Besides, any tank out there my itself without AA and/or air cover is just waiting to die anyway...Tiger or not.  By the same token, any Stuka that ups on it's own is just waiting to die (and it probably will to someone's pintle gun).

EDIT: Been reading up on that gun.  If modeled correctly they will still have to hit the tank right.  They will have a lot more room for error, but even these guns don't assure a kill for any given attack run.  As a matter of record, even with these guns the Stukas would flow over the front line and attack enemy tanks from the year.  Granted, that made it more likely they would get home, but it was also done because they were more likely to get a kill on a tank that way.

[Ack-Ack]

Originally posted by lasersailor184
Blammo, take any plane in existance in AH.  Shoot at a tank, even a moving tank.


It takes no skill to actually hit it.

Don't blame the Stuka pilot because you couldn't be bothered to bring any AA assets or have air cover for your GVs.  

You don't want the Stuka to blow up your precious Tiger while you spawn camp?  Have a squadron mate spawn a AA GV to provide protection or *GASP* have them provide on over head CAP.  Ju87s are only effective if they can enjoy local air superiority.  It was true back then during the war and the same axiom holds today in the MA.



ack-ack

[Blammo]

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