Author Topic: Does it really takes two to scissors? (Read 969 times)

Dead Man Flying · « **Reply #15 on:** October 10, 2005, 10:00:53 PM »

His name is Drex, and he sucks.

-- Todd/Leviathn

lasersailor184 · « **Reply #16 on:** October 10, 2005, 10:12:46 PM »

Anyone who is good at snapshots is good at the offensive barrel roll.

I, on the other hand, couldn't hit water if I fell out of a boat. So snapshots are out of the question.

Dead Man Flying · « **Reply #17 on:** October 10, 2005, 11:13:26 PM »

We might, but I'm fairly certain it's an AH1 film that won't run in AH2.

-- Todd/Leviathn

Kolibri · « **Reply #18 on:** October 11, 2005, 04:28:35 AM »

The answer of Dedalos is the best.

I had last a good fight with a 190-D9 on a great pilot in a F6F - greebo.

He tried often the turn and climb maneuver when i came close to his six. Instead of climbing directly i run 2 till 3 seconds straight and than started my loop again.

He never came closer than 800 feet for a shot. After about 6 or seven loops i got a shot at his engine making it loosing oil.

A joining 109-g10 ended up the fight but i was sure i would have get him at least when his engine shut down.

However, runuing a short time forward and than start the spiral climb is the best way to avoid a sniper.

But keep track of ur e. Soft loop or spiral climb doesnt eat much e - if ur go for a sharp loop u waste ur e to much.

NghtFire:aok
- The best way to die fast is to start from a vulched base.

mipoikel · « **Reply #19 on:** October 11, 2005, 07:11:52 AM »

Dont forget greebo...

icemaw · « **Reply #20 on:** October 11, 2005, 12:14:38 PM »

Ya Drex its fun to watch him own people over and over again. Guy bounces from high Drex noses over E state equals barrel roll boom then the whining starts love it.

detch01 · « **Reply #21 on:** October 11, 2005, 12:39:37 PM »

gatt I'm no expert but manage to do moderately well on occasion. The trick is to stay just out of the attackers gun solution without slowing down and maintaining (more or less) the same direction of travel as the attacker. You can do this by doing a loose, low-G barrel roll or by shallow S-turning - timing is important. If the attacker follows, tighten your maneuver enough to stay just outside of his guns. Essentially you're using the attacker's speed advantage against him.

Hope this helps.

Cheers,
asw

helkos · « **Reply #22 on:** October 11, 2005, 11:24:49 PM »

Most ppl dont scissors right anyhow and will give you a really nice canopy shot as they cross in front of you 90% of the time. The only reason to really go into one is for fun factor.

Tilt · « **Reply #23 on:** October 12, 2005, 05:33:32 AM »

I have similar problems.......basically my timing stinks, 3 dimensionally I am blind and I am a poor shot.

Seems to me that to scissors (flat or roll) to cause over shoot with immediate guns on requires all three.

I think you obviously have to lead the manouvre...........scissoring infront then rolling behind his nose anticipating his egress as he over shoots.

Continuing the roll to the vertical allows you to choose angle with out having to anticipate you opponents (you roll in the vertical to your opponents 6 with marginal e loss) but looses guns on time............

Some experten can roll directly to opponents 6 having chosen perfect angle seemingly "knowing" his egress angle in advance. I tend to think a least a little bit of luck is involved or some how the opponent "broadcast" his egress angle.

Basically the manouvres are evasives..........they are defensive....... they are best perfomed by low wing loaded ac agin high wing loaded ac. Even better if you have a low wingloaded ac with good roll rate.

They are also duel related ie 1 v 1. So you need to pull your opponent away from the pack and you need him to want to play......your game.