Author Topic: HiTech is ENV disabled on new map? (Read 870 times)

Kev367th · « **on:** October 09, 2005, 09:40:51 PM »

Or is it 'broken'?
Picture tells a thousand words.

sullie363 · « **Reply #1 on:** October 10, 2005, 01:25:04 AM »

I've seen eny not kick in even though bish were below 25% so it might be normal.

Flayed1 · « **Reply #2 on:** October 10, 2005, 01:37:52 AM »

The thing is that the side with most #'s has to out # the other sides combined by some % for the eny to kick in. At least that was my take on it and I have no idea what that % is.

Kev367th · « **Reply #3 on:** October 10, 2005, 09:00:36 AM »

Just from memory, when those sort of numbers appeared, the ENV restrictions started kicking in when the top team outnumbered the lower team by anything over 40 players(-ish).
Don't think it's when the top one outnumbers both the lower teams combined.
On RARE occasions I've seen two countries ENV'ed for example.

Captain Virgil Hilts · « **Reply #4 on:** October 10, 2005, 09:33:45 AM »

If you look at the screenshot you posted, it clearly says side balancing is ENABLED.

It is ENY by the way.

Note that the difference between Rooks and Bishops is exactly 10%. It may have to exceed 10% before side balancing begins. I'm sure Dale will be here to comment, or one of the other guys will anyway.

Kev367th · « **Reply #5 on:** October 10, 2005, 11:43:38 AM »

I noticed it said enabled, just wondered if it may be 'broken'?
Hopefully Dale will set things straight.
Maybe the limits have been tweaked again, just 54 players seems like more than it usually kicked in at.

hitech · « **Reply #6 on:** October 10, 2005, 11:51:58 AM »

Your country has to be below 10% down and over 200 players total online before it kicks in.

And the limits have not been tweeked.

HiTech

hubsonfire · « **Reply #7 on:** October 10, 2005, 01:33:14 PM »

27.5 + 35.1 + 37.5 = 100.1

They were, technically, over 10% down, but all this is moot, as the numbers dropped not long after this.

Kev367th · « **Reply #8 on:** October 10, 2005, 01:47:25 PM »

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Originally posted by hitech
Your country has to be below 10% down and over 200 players total online before it kicks in.

And the limits have not been tweeked.

HiTech

CC Thanks -

In which case there may be a slight flaw in the ENY logic -
i.e. The more players the top team has on, the less the least team has to have for ENY limits to kick in.

E.g. using two teams as its easier to show-
Team 1 - 200 players, Team 2 has to have 179 for ENY to start (diff of 21)
Team 1 - 300 players, Team 2 has to have 269 for ENY to start (diff of 31)
Team 1 - 400 players, Team 2 has to have 359 for ENY to start (diff of 41)

etc, etc.

Basically ENY is working in reverse (if I am reading it right). The more players one team has, the less the other teams have to have for ENY to kick in.

Sounds right in one way, but kind of strange.

hitech · « **Reply #9 on:** October 10, 2005, 02:24:00 PM »

We have 3 varibles.

1. Min total players for ENY to take effect.
2. BaseCountryPer Currently .1
3. CountryBalanceScale currently 2.1

In An example.
Team 1 - 200 players
Team 2 - 300 players
Team 3 - 400 players
Total 900

200 / 900 = 0.22
300 / 900 = 0.33
400 / 900 = 0.44

Now find the Least number i.e. 0.22

You country MinEny will be given by.

MinEny = (YourRatio - (Least + BaseCountryPer)) * CountryBalanceScale * 100

If MinEny is < 0 make it 0

So Team 1 (0.22 - (0.22 + 0.1 )) * 2.1 * 100 = -21.0 i.e. 0
So Team 2 (0.33 - (0.22 + 0.1 )) * 2.1 * 100 = 2.1
So Team 3 (0.44 - (0.22 + 0.1 )) * 2.1 * 100 = 25.1

Kev367th · « **Reply #10 on:** October 10, 2005, 08:13:28 PM »

Ah,
thanks for taking the time to explain.

OOZ662 · « **Reply #11 on:** October 10, 2005, 10:16:57 PM »

Quote

Originally posted by hitech
We have 3 varibles.

1. Min total players for ENY to take effect.
2. BaseCountryPer Currently .1
3. CountryBalanceScale currently 2.1

In An example.
Team 1 - 200 players
Team 2 - 300 players
Team 3 - 400 players
Total 900

200 / 900 = 0.22
300 / 900 = 0.33
400 / 900 = 0.44

Now find the Least number i.e. 0.22

You country MinEny will be given by.

MinEny = (YourRatio - (Least + BaseCountryPer)) * CountryBalanceScale * 100

If MinEny is < 0 make it 0

So Team 1 (0.22 - (0.22 + 0.1 )) * 2.1 * 100 = -21.0 i.e. 0
So Team 2 (0.33 - (0.22 + 0.1 )) * 2.1 * 100 = 2.1
So Team 3 (0.44 - (0.22 + 0.1 )) * 2.1 * 100 = 25.1

And I thought math class was confusing sometimes...

crowMAW · « **Reply #12 on:** October 11, 2005, 12:05:08 AM »

Dale,

I was wondering if you would consider adding another factor in the calculation. Currently ENY will kick-in for the country with the most players even if that country has very few bases left. This is an indication of 2 countries using more than half of their players against the 3rd country. It seems to me that a country should not be penalized with ENY if it has less than 1/4 of the bases regardless of the number of players it has on. Once the base count evens-up, then the ENY should kick-in.

Scrap · « **Reply #13 on:** October 11, 2005, 12:35:45 AM »

"2. BaseCountryPer Currently .1"

Kev367th · « **Reply #14 on:** October 11, 2005, 10:07:48 AM »

So what are the exact ratios required to give 0 (no ENV) and 5 ('lowest' in game) ENY values?