New 109's

[Galand]

So basically the G-6 is the same with a caged cockpit
The G-14 is a G-6 with better WEP
and the K-4 is just the G10?

So what's new exactly?

[2bighorn]

Originally posted by Galand
So what's new exactly?

Spitfires

[Krusty]

The G14 will have a faster top speed, thus we will have an in-between between the G6 (a 1943 plane) and the K-4 (a 1945 plane). There is currently a HUGE performance gap between these two planes, and the G14 will bridge the gap.

I'm personally hoping for an E-7 as well, but that's a pipe dream

[cav58d]

Sux for the people who flew the G10 with gondolas

[Krusty]

The K4 will still have gondies. The hub will be 30mm is all.

Oddly enough, I've found it's MUCH easier to land 30mm hits if you have the gondies (mixed 20mm and 30mm). It might just be in my head but it's odd, I seem to land them far more. Same with the 190A8's mixed bag, they land far more often than a single 30mm in the 109 or ta152.

[1K3]

o crap

109K's overall performance will drop when armed with GONDOLAS.  The drag of wing guns will be counted too:eek:

[Krusty]

I think it already is.

The deal with the 190a5 was that the pylon wasn't counted towards drag, even after the centerline ord was dropped. I think on the 109s that the gondies have always been counted. No change, is my guess.

EDIT: I wonder if they'll get a little drag (-1 mph or so??) for the centerline DT/bomb mount. In real life it was a rounded shape so it probably has little drag, but it was a "bump" the air had to flow over.

[Karnak]

Originally posted by 1K3
o crap

109K's overall performance will drop when armed with GONDOLAS.  The drag of wing guns will be counted too:eek:

That is already counted on the Bf109G-10.  No change.

I am looking forward to trying the Bf109G-14 out.  It is definately new.

[Kurfürst]

Originally posted by Krusty
EDIT: I wonder if they'll get a little drag (-1 mph or so??) for the centerline DT/bomb mount. In real life it was a rounded shape so it probably has little drag, but it was a "bump" the air had to flow over.

Indeed, 109 drag docs I have say the Schloss 503 DT/bomb rack on the 109 came with only -4 kph (2,5mph) speed loss at SL.  Gondies werent that bad either, -8 kph or about -5mph for SL. The speed loss is about 50% greater at best altitude. but because of the gondola weight ROC was down by ca -2m/sec - still an excellent climber though.

I suppose the gondies will be an option for them, not a permanent feature - that would be odd, since gondies were filed kits, no more permanent than bombs or racks for DT. They could be installed or removed, and in fact pretty rarely used after escorts appeared.

[frank3]

I only load the gondola's with buff-hunting, so -5mph won't be that bad

[BlauK]

I truly hope they would build the G-6 with a caged cockpit, but WITH Galland head armor!

That would add variation and separate G-6 better from G-2 and from G-14. Sacrificing the better climb and speed of G-2 to heavier machineguns and better rear view of the G-6 would make a nice option and trade-off.

[LRRP22]

Originally posted by Kurfürst
Gondies werent that bad either, -8 kph or about -5mph for SL. The speed loss is about 50% greater at best altitude.
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Only -5 mph seems rather generous considering the P-51B lost 8 mph at sea level for its wing racks.  The Mustang's wing racks were much, much smaller than the 109's gondolas.

Hmm...

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[BlauK]

It is not necessarily the size, but the cross-section etc. causing drag and affecting the aerodynamics. You could not argue that a bigger wing should be slower than a smaller one, could you?

[LRRP22]

Originally posted by BlauK
It is not necessarily the size, but the cross-section etc. causing drag and affecting the aerodynamics. You could not argue that a bigger wing should be slower than a smaller one, could you?

The Mustang's racks were aerodynamically faired and much smaller in frontal area, as well.  There was no cannon barrel protruding forward, either.  It seems very unlikely that the kannonen boot installation was less draggy than the Mustang's wing racks.  Quite the opposite in fact, although I could be wrong.


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[Porta]

Originally posted by LRRP22
The Mustang's racks were aerodynamically faired and much smaller in frontal area, as well.  There was no cannon barrel protruding forward, either.  It seems very unlikely that the kannonen boot installation was less draggy than the Mustang's wing racks.  Quite the opposite in fact, although I could be wrong.
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Mustang's racks are Mustang's racks, and 109's gondolas are 109's gondolas ...

The speed loss was measured consistently to be 9-12 km/h (at 0 m and ~500 km/h).