Nevermind

[Bruno]

No, sorry Bruno, not all 12 000ish G-6 was produced alone in 1943... far from it.

I never said 12k G-6s were produced in '43 alone. I said:

Less then 15% of the total number of G-6s (12k) produced overall were G-6/U4s.

This was in reply to Kursty's claiming 1/3rd of all G-6s were /U4s.

, as AH2's arena doesn't recreate historical but hypothetical scenarios. In real life pilots choose not to use it in 44/45 because the numbers of the enemy - you can rarely see any 109G mounting gondolas in late 1944 either.

Well this is true in AH's main arena, but there are other arenas. There's the Combat Theater, which at one time or another was to be used to re-create historical plane match ups for air combat. There's the Special Events Arena where by scenarios and other events are run that can be either historical or not (or somewhere in between) depending on the designer (CM).

Then there' the new and upcoming arena Tour Of Duty, which is mission / theater based. I am only concerned with these arenas. In the main a 109F with or without gondolas gets little overall usage, same with the G-6 (with or with out MK 108s). None of the decisions Pyro has to make really have an effect on the Main Arena.

That's why I said if there are no CM (community manager) tools that allow the regulation of load-outs, or maybe even the number or percentage  of a particular load-out (say 12 F-4/R1s and the rest standard), then in these other arenas the 'historical immersion' and to a degree the 'historical balance' gets upset.

As an example in a NA event where 90% of the F-4s are tooling about with gondolas just for extra ammo / fire power. Or in '43 unescorted bombers flying to target get attacked by G-6s with all with MK 108s (and / or gondolas as well). This gives a significant and 'non-historical' advantage that could come close to ruining game play. 181 G-6/U4s in '43 is certainly not significant by any use of the word.

'44 is different story but going into '44 the G-14 becomes available by Jun / Jul and the K-4 by Oct... Not to mention the A-8s and 110s, 262s ect all with 3cm...

I think if we try to balance game play so that it better reflects reality then this is better then saying 'well there were 240 F-4/R1s produced so we gotta have them game play be damned'.

My 2 cents...

[Charge]

"BTW the U4 kit was certainly not convertible in the field, it was factory mod."

Umrustbausatz=Factory conversion kit?

Rustasatz=Field conversion kit?

-C+

[Kurfürst]

Yep, something like that.

Basically there are (ie. German, just to give HoHun the creeps with my 'kitchen-german' : Rüstung = 'equipment', zustand = 'state/quality of stg' , satz = ~'material'; bau = building, producing -> umbau = 'conversion')

Rüstsatz : field kits, available for all planes, like droptanks, bombs, gondolas. Noted with Roman numbers (Rüstsatz IV - gondolas, for 109K), does not change the plane designation!

Rüstzustand : something like additional equipment from the factory. Recce camares (ie. G-6/R2), piping for underwing droptanks on LR reccess, autopilot etc. It is noted in the designation, ie. K-4/R6 was to be a bad weather fighter version with autopilot, not one with gondolas!

Umbausatz and Umrüstsatz : No idea between the exact difference between the two, perhaps butch can tell, but these are more like serious conversions rather than adding just something extra, also factory done. Things like GM-1 (G-6/U2) or MK 108 fitting (G-6/U4).

Trouble is, that sometimes the same thing has two designations, or the designations changed, or disappered when something became standard fitting.

[Angus]

Kitchen German lol, quite nice.
I've heard "Sandkistendeutch", - guess it is a description for it