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« on: October 13, 2005, 01:50:47 PM »
http://www.boston.com/news/politics/president/articles/2005/10/12/kennedy_ill_support_kerry_in_2008_race/

fabulous, looks like Kerry, Gore AND Clinton will be vying for the democratic party nomination for President.

Now Kennedy, the liberal Icon throws his weight (no pun intended) behind Kerry.

At this rate we will end of with another Bush in the White House.

Even I am starting to worry about that possibility.  Time for new blood, not all this old baggage....
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« Reply #1 on: October 13, 2005, 02:03:12 PM »
teddy will drink to that!!
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« Reply #2 on: October 13, 2005, 02:07:55 PM »
I wonder whats really going on here.  

I would have thought, based on all the media speculation, that Hillary would have been the obvious choice for Kennedy to back......

What sort of preposturing posturing is going on here?....
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« Reply #3 on: October 13, 2005, 02:32:13 PM »
In my opinion, there is no way Hillary will get elected president.  How that carpetbagger got elected to be a senate representative of NY is beyond belief.  I think Kennedy knows this and is obviously backing the leading Democratic candidate.  Gore stated repeatedly this week that he has no intention of running.

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« Reply #4 on: October 13, 2005, 02:51:41 PM »
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At this rate we will end of with another Bush in the White House.

Even I am starting to worry about that possibility.  Time for new blood, not all this old baggage....


NO! Even I as a Republican living in Florida do not want that ever.

Neither GW nor his father have been true to their conservative base. GHW betrayed the Reagan revolution and the son spends money like a sailor on leave. No, no more Bushs in the white house.

Unless its Condi. Now there is a bush I'd vote for!

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« Reply #5 on: October 13, 2005, 02:52:53 PM »
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I wonder whats really going on here.  

I would have thought, based on all the media speculation, that Hillary would have been the obvious choice for Kennedy to back......

What sort of preposturing posturing is going on here?....


She does not want his endorcement. She is trying to move to the center.

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« Reply #6 on: October 13, 2005, 02:57:26 PM »
Indeed, perhaps Kennedy's endorsement of Kerry is done as a personal favor to Clinton.  :D
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« Reply #7 on: October 13, 2005, 03:02:20 PM »
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teddy will drink to that!!


Is there something he won't drink too?


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« Reply #8 on: October 13, 2005, 03:05:21 PM »
Teddy+Hillary+booze+more booze+Buick+bridge= Great day for America!:D

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« Reply #9 on: October 13, 2005, 03:24:38 PM »
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In my opinion, there is no way Hillary will get elected president.  How that carpetbagger got elected to be a senate representative of NY is beyond belief.  I think Kennedy knows this and is obviously backing the leading Democratic candidate.  Gore stated repeatedly this week that he has no intention of running.


Well, NY has a history of electing non-NYers to the Senate.

It's easy to get elected in NY. (I know this 'cause I lived there most of my life) All you need to do is blame all the problems people are having on Republicans and promise to bring a lot of State/Federal handouts home to the folks. Once your elected all bets are off. When the handouts don't come you just revert to item 1, blame it on Republicans.

In 31 years of living in Western NY I have yet to see one single Democrat politician bring one single new job to the area, not ONE! Mostly I saw company after company leave for greener pastures. Mostly to the South East, So that's where I moved to.

Here is a shining example: I asked my Father-in-Law once when we were home for his sons funeral when he started biotching about GW and the Republicans:

"Dad, Democrats have been running this city (Buffalo) and county for 100+ years, Your grandkids can't find jobs, your city is a crumbling mess, you pay $800.00+/month to heat and power your home in the winter and you blame this all on the president? What have your Democrat leaders done for you lately?"

Of course he didn't have an answer, not one! Then comes the next election and who does he vote for? Democrats. So you see, that's how Hillary got elected. If she thinks that will work for the rest of the US, she is sadly mistaken.

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« Reply #10 on: October 13, 2005, 03:51:25 PM »
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Well, NY has a history of electing non-NYers to the Senate.

It's easy to get elected in NY. (I know this 'cause I lived there most of my life) All you need to do is blame all the problems people are having on Republicans and promise to bring a lot of State/Federal handouts home to the folks. Once your elected all bets are off. When the handouts don't come you just revert to item 1, blame it on Republicans.

In 31 years of living in Western NY I have yet to see one single Democrat politician bring one single new job to the area, not ONE! Mostly I saw company after company leave for greener pastures. Mostly to the South East, So that's where I moved to.

Here is a shining example: I asked my Father-in-Law once when we were home for his sons funeral when he started biotching about GW and the Republicans:

"Dad, Democrats have been running this city (Buffalo) and county for 100+ years, Your grandkids can't find jobs, your city is a crumbling mess, you pay $800.00+/month to heat and power your home in the winter and you blame this all on the president? What have your Democrat leaders done for you lately?"

Of course he didn't have an answer, not one! Then comes the next election and who does he vote for? Democrats. So you see, that's how Hillary got elected. If she thinks that will work for the rest of the US, she is sadly mistaken.


Please explain to me what local leaders have to do with the price of energy?
And our dem leaders have done for us the same as our Rep leaders have done for us.
At the Fed level the last 40 years have been controlled by mostly reps. Look it up. 80% of the seats on the SC have been appointed by the Reps.
So if you dont like the situation then you know who to blame.
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« Reply #11 on: October 13, 2005, 04:12:38 PM »
Uhmm,..not sure about other states, but the PUC (Public Utilities Commission) here in Texas regulates our natural gas and electricity prices.  The head of the Texas PUC is not appointed.  Just FYI.
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« Reply #12 on: October 13, 2005, 04:37:43 PM »
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Please explain to me what local leaders have to do with the price of energy?

I'd be happy to. You see NY state sits on quite a bit of Natural Gas, along with the greatest natural source of hydro-power in the world, Niagara Falls. So, when you  look at your energy bills and complain about the energy company and don't bother to look at the last page that show that 40% of your energy bill is TAXES, then your an id10t! Every time they want to raise funds and don't want the general public to really know what's going on they raise taxes on Gas and Electric power. Don't know about  your state but in NY while I lived there they did it numerous times.

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And our dem leaders have done for us the same as our Rep leaders have done for us.

Well at least you have both sides co complain about. In WNY they never give a Republican a chance to make a difference. A Republican can't get elected dog catcher there. My Republican leaders have done great for us here in my new home town/State. We have one of the fastest growing economies of any city in this country. (Jacksonville, FL)

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At the Fed level the last 40 years have been controlled by mostly reps. Look it up. 80% of the seats on the SC have been appointed by the Reps.
So if you dont like the situation then you know who to blame.

I know they stopped teaching civics in school a long time ago so I'll give you a lesson.

Congress controls all fiscal allocations, i.e. THE MONEY! Congress has been controlled by Democrats almost exclusively since FDR. Only once prior to '94 has either house of Congress been controlled by Republicans and that was in 80-82 in the senate only. They lost it in the next mid-term. So fiscal policy was DOMINATED by Democrats throughout that period no matter who was in the white house.

What does the SC have to do with local politics? How do the Feds or the SC prevent local leaders from attracting jobs? It doesn't! Don't give me that Ray Davis, California excuse that its the Feds fault your state is bankrupt! Doesn't wash at all.

Here is another example: The BMW fiasco!
BMW approached the city of Buffalo, the County of Erie and the State of NY to build a new plant in WNY. IN order to make this a profitable venture they requested some tax incentives. Well, the local Dem leadership went ape-chit. They absolutely refused to endorse any kind of insenative to attract this new JOB CREATING project. So what did BMW do? They took the offer from Birmingham AL and built their plant there. Now along with the approximately 3000 jobs created by BMW another 2-3000 jobs were created by companies who setup shop to support BMW.

Birmingham 6000 Jobs, WNY 0

Want another one? In the Mid 70's Bethlehem Steel had one of it largest plants in Lackawanna NY just south of Buffalo. They were getting their butts handed to them by the German and Japanese steel industry dumping steel on the US market (No help from the peanut man either) so they needed to update the plant so they could be more competative, this was going to cost $$$. They went to the city of Lackawanna, County of Erie, State of NY and asked for some tax help, at least they asked do not raise our taxes. What did these Democrat leaders do? They raised taxes. So what did Bethlehem Steel do? The only thing they could do, they left. It was more cost effective to build a new plant in N. Carolina than to revamp the old one. 9000 jobs lost along with another 3000+ jobs lost in related industries. My uncle worked for one of those related industries his whole life. Only job he ever knew. When he lost that job it destroyed him, and he took his own life. He was just one of several.

And without the gory details:
Republic Steel: gone
American Standard: gone
Markel Industries: gone
These are just a few, There were many, many more.

So don't preach to me about the differences between Republican and Democrats because I've lived it. I lived through 12 years of hell under Mario Cuomo and watched him run the state into the ground.  I also lived in FL for 15 years now and watched Republican administrations and legislatures build job creating business friendly communities that grow and provide a good life for all of us.

No my friend, there is a difference. Some of you are just to ideologically blinded to see the truth of it.

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« Reply #13 on: October 13, 2005, 04:46:49 PM »
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Uhmm,..not sure about other states, but the PUC (Public Utilities Commission) here in Texas regulates our natural gas and electricity prices.  The head of the Texas PUC is not appointed.  Just FYI.


I NY it is similar. Rates are regulated by the PUC but Taxes are handled by the legislature. They don't need to ask permission to add more utility taxes. It just amazes me that an area with such resources as NY pays so much for their power. The people don't do anything about it. They just sit back and take it.

Here in J'ville we have the Jacksonville Electric Authority which produces our electricity and manages our water system. It is a quasi-government entity sort of like the Post Office. It is owned by the city but operated as a private company. Our power comes primarily from natural gas and oil. Mostly gas. Over the first 12 years I've lived here we have not had a single rate hike. 3 times we were given rebates by the JEA on our power bills. It is only in the last year that the JEA has had to, reluctantly, request rate hikes due to the raising cost of natural gas. Still even with the rates i run 4 computer, 6 ceiling fans, air conditioner, pool, 3 TVs electric stove, electric hot water tank, electric washer and dryer and my highest electric bill is $185.00/month.

This is an example of how government CAN work. Ya know the funny thing? When the JEA was created J'ville had a Democrat Mayor and city council. But they were Southern Democrats, back then there was a difference.

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« Reply #14 on: October 13, 2005, 06:56:44 PM »
Not only is Hilary trying to move to the center this is another example of how the Democrats are a mess right now.

Editors note, I'm not picking on them just stating an opinion.

The Dems are more sharply devided than ever right now.  Half of them think they have ignored their liberal hippie base and want to move more towardst he anti war anit everything base, while others do not agree and beleive the future of the democratic party needs to be more centered to attract the "morals/values" votes that republicans sweeped in the last 3 elections.

Then there's the part were some beleive the dems havn't done a good job of gettting their message out (WICH I AGREE WITH).  Truth be told, unless it's "bush is evil" the dems don't have a message in wich they can ralley their base around let alone ralley a nation.

This is a classic example.  Kennedy being an extreme liberal cannot endorse someone who's a centrist (or even one in pretending to be one)