Author Topic: Setup for October 14  (Read 1741 times)

Offline Oldman731

  • Plutonium Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 9423
Setup for October 14
« on: October 13, 2005, 04:41:39 PM »
BIG WEEK!

After the October 14, 1943 “Black Thursday”
mission, the Eighth Air Force flies missions
only within the limited range of its escort
fighters.  And so the fall passes, as the Americans
build up their bomber and fighter strength, and
as British and American engineers work on
extending the range of the escorts.  The
wretched flying weather of December and
January limits the number of missions that
can be flown.

And then, on February 19, 1944, the skies clear.

The Eighth Air Force flies on the next six
consecutive days.  Its target is the German
aircraft industry - which the Luftwaffe knows
it must defend at all costs.  Shining machines
filled with thousands of young men pierce the
frigid air over Europe, charging to a flaming
rendezvous in a battle for ownership of the
German skies.

Map:  Rhine

Allies (Rooks)

C-47
B-17
B-24
P-38G
P-47D11, D25
P-51B
The Ms
Pz IV (pretend)


Axis (Knights)

C-47
Ju-88
Me-109G2, G6
Me-110G2
Fw-190A-5, A-8
The Ms
Pz IV

Settings:

Radar:  Tower 158400, Sector 343200
Field Ack:  low-level and puffy are both .25
Killshooter is off
Fuel burn rate is 1.0
Field capture:  5 troops (if we can figure out how to do this)
Down time:  three hours
500 pounder will drop a hanger


Notes:

Although the time setting is February, 1944, and thus
before the invasion, we have picked the Rhine map
for two reasons.  First, the Bigweek battles took place
over Europe, not over the Channel, as usually happens
with the Battle of Britain map.  Second, we thought
we would enable, and perhaps encourage, base capture,
to see how this plane set works in a base-capture
environment.

Let us know how it works out.

Oldman and Fork

Offline Krusty

  • Radioactive Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 26745
Setup for October 14
« Reply #1 on: October 13, 2005, 05:19:18 PM »
Rhine with base capture?? Oooh... That'll be interesting. I hope you will all post your AARs here, so that I might live vicariously through y'all.

Offline RedDg

  • Silver Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 998
Setup for October 14
« Reply #2 on: October 13, 2005, 05:32:49 PM »
Nice setup.  Jug-11 vs. A5 is a fun fight.

Offline Krusty

  • Radioactive Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 26745
Setup for October 14
« Reply #3 on: October 13, 2005, 05:53:12 PM »
It can be, at that! I've got some film footage of a HTH room where it was P47 (I think D11 or d25) vs 190a5s. Good fun both ways.

Offline 1K3

  • Parolee
  • Gold Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3449
Setup for October 14
« Reply #4 on: October 13, 2005, 07:11:45 PM »
LW planeset looks good...

USAAF... (Whistle blow!) P-38G is no longer used in ETO at that time, they were using P-38J at that time but SLOWLY being moved aside by new P-51B escort fighters

:)

replace P-38G with P-38J

Offline Oldman731

  • Plutonium Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 9423
Setup for October 14
« Reply #5 on: October 13, 2005, 07:14:13 PM »
Quote
Originally posted by 1K3
LW planeset looks good...

USAAF... (Whistle blow!) P-38G is no longer used in ETO at that time, they were using P-38J at that time but SLOWLY being moved aside by new P-51B escort fighters

:)

replace P-38G with P-38J

If there's confirmation, I'll do it.  Remember this is late February, I think 8th still just had 20th and 55th flying 38s.

- oldman

Offline 1K3

  • Parolee
  • Gold Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3449
Setup for October 14
« Reply #6 on: October 13, 2005, 07:24:33 PM »
How's this? :)

8th AAF

...P-38s of the Eighth Air Force were rapidly phased out of service in favor of P-51 Mustangs--The 20th, 55th, and 364th Fighter Groups converted to P-51s during July 1944, and in September the 479th Fighter Group traded in its P-38Js for P-51Ds.

9th AAF

...The Ninth Air Force was assigned a tactical role (in contrast to the strategic role of the Eighth Air Force), and retained its P-38J/L fighters a bit longer. Its first Lightning group was the 474th, which flew its first combat mission on April 15, 1944. It was soon joined by the 367th and 370th Fighter Groups. However, in March of 1945 these two latter groups converted to P-47Ds and P-51Ds respectively. By V-E day the 474th was the only Fighter Group still operating P-38s.

http://home.att.net/~jbaugher1/p38_17.html

Offline 1K3

  • Parolee
  • Gold Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3449
Setup for October 14
« Reply #7 on: October 13, 2005, 07:30:15 PM »
Bf-110s too were replaced in 44 when P-51s and P-47s started covering the LIBERATORS and FORTRESSES for the first time (and at the same time obliterating the 110s lol).  US pilets said 110 was an easy target as a "meat on the table"

:)

Offline Oldman731

  • Plutonium Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 9423
Setup for October 14
« Reply #8 on: October 13, 2005, 08:15:12 PM »
Quote
Originally posted by 1K3
How's this? :)

Heh.  Not enough.  That source puts the Js in July or September.  This is late February.

Let's keep looking!

- oldman (who lost his copy of "The Mighty Eighth," which would promptly answer the question back in the fighter sections)

Offline Krusty

  • Radioactive Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 26745
Setup for October 14
« Reply #9 on: October 13, 2005, 08:41:22 PM »
Bill Gunston (not the best, but one source) says not until August '43 did the J come out. He doesn't say if that was when the J was unveiled, or when it actually got "out and about" to the pilots.

storch

  • Guest
Setup for October 14
« Reply #10 on: October 13, 2005, 09:49:43 PM »
the set up is perfect as it is OM.  good job.

Offline Krusty

  • Radioactive Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 26745
Setup for October 14
« Reply #11 on: October 13, 2005, 10:41:40 PM »
Edit2: BAN the ass-hat. That's not skuzzy, that's a tard named TW9.
« Last Edit: October 13, 2005, 10:48:30 PM by Krusty »

Offline Guppy35

  • Radioactive Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 20385
Setup for October 14
« Reply #12 on: October 13, 2005, 11:28:10 PM »
20th Fighter Group and 55th Fighter Group of the 8th AF both took P38Js into combat starting at the end of December 1943, so they would have been the ride for both during Bigweek.

364th FG took 38Js into combat with the 8th in early March 1944 after arriving in February 44.  479th also showed up later with 38Js

Only 55th and 20th during Bigweek however
Dan/CorkyJr
8th FS "Headhunters

Offline Larry

  • Platinum Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 6123
Re: Setup for October 14
« Reply #13 on: October 13, 2005, 11:34:15 PM »
Quote
Originally posted by Oldman731

Down time:  three hours
500 pounder will drop a hanger



Thats ganna be just great some dweeb comes over and levels a field then you have to fly 50mile just to fight.
Once known as ''TrueKill''.
JG 54 "Grünherz"
July '18 KOTH Winner


Offline Krusty

  • Radioactive Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 26745
Setup for October 14
« Reply #14 on: October 13, 2005, 11:35:39 PM »
Gives ya time to get alt :)

Besides, if some dweeb does that, do it right back!

I think OM set that because field capture is enabled, and it's a huge-arsed map, and the CT has few people in it.