Author Topic: can "we" have 1 more Spitfire/109 variant? (Read 2971 times)

1K3 · « **on:** October 13, 2005, 04:55:30 PM »

pleeese

Spitfire LF Mk. IX

I think we need Spit LF Mk. IX with +18 boost for 1943-44 so that we can have Spitfire LF XVI with +25 boost:)

Bf-109F-2

NO GONDOLAS for this variant. We need this for channel battle and Russian campaigns in the future VVS vs Luftwaffe ToD.

Krusty · « **Reply #1 on:** October 13, 2005, 05:01:31 PM »

F2 was short run and underpowered, guns-wise. It had a 15mm with the same ammo count as our current F4 has, but had engine problems and teething problems.

I don't see why everybody's arguing for an F-4 without gondies -- they seriously inhibit your fighting ability, so it's a trade-off, you pay for the firepower with severe performance loss. To me, I see that as a fair trade.

Karnak · « **Reply #2 on:** October 13, 2005, 05:15:30 PM »

Addressing the Spitfire end of it, if we get the LF.Mk VIII (and we may get it, we don't know yet) it can cover for the LF.Mk IX. Clipped wings are not required for that as many LF.IX's lacked clipped wings.

I think HTC has the Spit's pretty well in hand, particularly if we get the LF.Mk VIII.

Debonair · « **Reply #3 on:** October 13, 2005, 05:46:56 PM »

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Originally posted by Krusty
F2 was short run and underpowered, guns-wise. It had a 15mm with the same ammo count as our current F4 has, but had engine problems and teething problems....

15mm MG 151 has the redeeming value of much higher velocity. It seems to me like it could have been quite a useful weapon, but only one of them is certainly not much hitting power.

Krusty · « **Reply #4 on:** October 13, 2005, 05:51:56 PM »

Perhaps a slightly higher MV, but still a piss poor killer

It'd be like having a single MG131 instead of a cannon. It'd be like 3 MGs (1x50cal 2x7mm). Totally undesirable.

Meyer · « **Reply #5 on:** October 13, 2005, 06:37:30 PM »

MG151 was more powerful than a .50MG... and what engine problems had the F-2?

1K3 · « **Reply #6 on:** October 13, 2005, 06:45:43 PM »

hmmm Krusty must be thinking about 109F-1 and 0... both had engine and tail problems from the start.

and yes the MG 151-15mm on 109F-2 was powerfull enought to kill 7000+* Soviet fighters during its operational debut.

(note most kills were I-16 and I-15 biplanes, both obsolete in 1941 standards)

Krusty · « **Reply #7 on:** October 13, 2005, 07:23:38 PM »

In real LIFE it kills. Hell a 22 can kill ya in real life. In AH, the way we have things modeled, it would be most like an MG131, which is barely more powerful than a 50cal, despite the fact it fired mine rounds and was in fact a cannon.

Yes the F0 and F1 had engine problems (most notably) but I heard/read somewhere the F2 still had some problems.

Angus · « **Reply #8 on:** October 13, 2005, 07:24:33 PM »

Lol IK3 just saw your sig.
Don't forget pinging them to death with your .303's and plonking them to death with the Bredas of a C.202

Squire · « **Reply #9 on:** October 13, 2005, 11:43:36 PM »

I do beleive we are getting a few more Spits yet, its just they have posted the IX pics 1st.

The 109s I think are well represented, there are now 7.

Krusty · « **Reply #10 on:** October 13, 2005, 11:46:08 PM »

I think he brings up the F2 only as a way of having an F without gondies. He's been following the 109 armament thread, as have I.

Larry · « **Reply #11 on:** October 14, 2005, 08:54:52 AM »

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Originally posted by Squire
I do beleive we are getting a few more Spits yet, its just they have posted the IX pics 1st.

The 109s I think are well represented, there are now 7.

Seven 109s whered you get that:

109E
109F4
109G2
109G6
109G14
109K4

Seems like six to me, and I only think theres ganna be six spits.

SpitI
SpitV
SpitIX
SpitXIV
SpitXVI
Seafire III

Schutt · « **Reply #12 on:** October 14, 2005, 11:40:40 AM »

But then there is no clipped wing spit? i really would like a clipped wing spit, maybe add a spit mk 9 with clipped wing and a 109B ?

Larry · « **Reply #13 on:** October 14, 2005, 11:45:48 AM »

SpitXVI is cliped wing. 109B? Only two 7.9mms in the nose.

Krusty · « **Reply #14 on:** October 14, 2005, 12:05:16 PM »

Whoever posted that list forgot the Spit VIII, which I recall is being added (unless the Seafire III is a VIII?)