michaelmoorehatesamerica....

[indy007]

Originally posted by Eagler
He is a poster child for the left

Go Michael Moore go!!!

lol lol lol

Michael Moore is Karl Rove's lackey! He's part of a super-secret plan to galvanize the right by being the loudest, most deceitful fruitcake possible while holding up the banner of the democrats... intentionally causing people to sway to the right instead of the left.




...this has no base in fact whatsoever... but it'd be funny if it were true.

[lazs2]

of course you feel that way... so does moore... all liberals feel that way... you of course (and anyone who agrees with you) are excepted from such blanket condemnation...  until they leave the fold.

I believe that allmost every American is pretty savy and bright.  I don't see us in such a hopeless light... I see people working hard to get ahead and a lot of hope and courage...

you and moore see nothing but a bleak landscape populated by morons.

and that is the point of both movies.

lazs

[T0J0]

You can't argue with a Moore movie watcher..Thier not really interested in facts  But its easy for a Moore lefty to relate to a large overwieght fat slob for facts, it makes em feel at home like thier dads home from prison...



TOJO

[Torque]

Originally posted by lazs2
The only thing that really appaled me in the movie (I allready knew more was a raving liar) was...In the movie.... Wilson interviewed moore fans... he asked them if, if they knew that most of the things portrayed in moores movies were untrue or missrepresentations... how would they feel?   they said that.... if that were the case then they would be dissapointed but...

That The greater truth was more important than facts.   That he thought like they did in the big things so they could excuse the dishonesty.

lazs

mm's work has become a parody of himself, he bemoans the excesses of captialism while becoming a millionaire in the process. anyone that is savvy enough could see this from a mile away. but how does a single private citizen represent you when it comes to domestic or foreign affairs? how many of these policies originate from hollywood producers?

so the question begging to be answered is, how did his tactics in any way differ from those used by the neocon admin in regards to wmd/saddam, tillman, lynch or abu garif affairs, other than one was paid for with taxpayer dollars?

so are you just appalled with these incidents, did they make you feel like a moron because you paid for them? or do they fit into your catergory of the greater truth?

[rabbidrabbit]

right is right wrong is wrong.  What makes you think that calling MM out for what he is necessitates a right wing dictum?  Does this fit into your catergory of  the greater truth?

[Sandman]

Originally posted by lazs2
of course you feel that way... so does moore... all liberals feel that way... you of course (and anyone who agrees with you) are excepted from such blanket condemnation...  until they leave the fold.

I believe that allmost every American is pretty savy and bright.  I don't see us in such a hopeless light... I see people working hard to get ahead and a lot of hope and courage...

you and moore see nothing but a bleak landscape populated by morons.

and that is the point of both movies.

lazs

It's not liberalism or conservatism or libertarianism.

For me, it's pessimism.

[Clifra Jones]

Originally posted by indy007
Michael Moore is Karl Rove's lackey! He's part of a super-secret plan to galvanize the right by being the loudest, most deceitful fruitcake possible while holding up the banner of the democrats... intentionally causing people to sway to the right instead of the left.




...this has no base in fact whatsoever... but it'd be funny if it were true.

You do know now that those black helicopters wil be hovering over you house any minute.

[Clifra Jones]

Originally posted by Torque
mm's work has become a parody of himself, he bemoans the excesses of captialism while becoming a millionaire in the process. anyone that is savvy enough could see this from a mile away. but how does a single private citizen represent you when it comes to domestic or foreign affairs? how many of these policies originate from hollywood producers?

so the question begging to be answered is, how did his tactics in any way differ from those used by the neocon admin in regards to wmd/saddam, tillman, lynch or abu garif affairs, other than one was paid for with taxpayer dollars?

so are you just appalled with these incidents, did they make you feel like a moron because you paid for them? or do they fit into your category of the greater truth?

Typical "gotchaism" from a lefty. Pointing out a perceived wrong of your opponent does not justify an actual wrong done by you.

I could lay out a series of abominations carried out by the left throughout the world but I fear this forum isn't long enough. Plus it would do no good as the "faithful' will not listen to any facts that contradict their dogma.

(for clarity, YOU is used in the general sense not the specific. )

[lazs2]

sandie... pessimism is also a liberal trait.   Are you saying that you are not a liberal and that thinking the average man is a moron is not a liberal trait?

I say that both things are true.

torque... watch the movie.  You are correct... a lie is a lie... but... because you feel something  is a lie that does not give you the right to..... well..

lie, to get your point across.

I think most people would like the movie.   It might come as a shock just how badly moore made things up out of thin air.... buying the rifle from the bank was outrageous in it's total missrepresentation or cutting the words from three speaches on three different dates and saying that it was all one speach on one date... that sort of thing.

watching moore avoid being interviewed and lying about how he didn't avoid the interviews or how he didn't even know who the guy was or anything was the absolute hight of irony.

lazs

[Silat]

Originally posted by Sandman
Of course it's propaganda. Many documentaries are.

As is Laz's review...

[Sandman]

Originally posted by lazs2
sandie... pessimism is also a liberal trait.   Are you saying that you are not a liberal and that thinking the average man is a moron is not a liberal trait?

I'm not sure... can you give me a list of liberal traits? How about one for conservatives too?

[Clifra Jones]

Originally posted by Silat
As is Laz's review...

Propaganda is a specific type of message presentation aimed at serving an agenda. At its root, the denotation of propaganda is 'to propagate (actively spread) a philosophy or point of view'. The most common use of the term (historically) is in political contexts; in particular to refer to certain efforts sponsored by governments or political groups.

While he does not hide his own opinion regarding Moore, I see no attempt in Lazs review to sway anyone's opinion regarding Moore one way or the other. Therefor the charge does not fit.

Again we see the classic left-wing tactic of changing the focus of the discussion away from the true subject and turning it towards the character/intentions of the opposing party. With the intent to demean or degrade said character/intentions.

[Sandman]

Originally posted by Clifra Jones

Again we see the classic left-wing tactic of changing the focus of the discussion away from the true subject and turning it towards the character/intentions of the opposing party. With the intent to demean or degrade said character/intentions.

Oh, it's a tactic alright. It's used by the right as well as the left.

[lazs2]

sandie...  before I get into left or right traits....

do you consider yourself a liberal?

and... silat.. I am asking you to see the movie and make up your own mind.  I think the guy tried his best to follow in the footsteps of respected documentary makers... that is.... to let the chips fall where they may... His opinions were obvious but he dealt with the interviews in as fair a way as possible I thought... watch it and give your opinion.

lazs

[Sandman]

I'm more of a libertarian than anything else... but if I had to choose between being a conservative or a liberal, I'd take the latter. Of course, this is using my own sterotypical view of the two which may differ from your own.