Spit XVI and G-14

[Hap]

I'm not familiar with the variants.  My question is what might be their flying characteristics compared to the planes we know.  

hap

[Krusty]

G-14: much faster, 30mm (maybe 20mm option?) + gondolas
Spit16: Much slower, turns on a freakin' dime, climbs like a monster at all alts, has instant kill 1-ping nook-like hispanos and 2x50cal.

G-14: better at alt. Will dominate if 10k + (or thereabouts)
Spit16: better all other areas except speed below 10k-ish (or so).


Rough generalization, but you get the picture.

[Karnak]

Spitfire LF.Mk XVIe (a Spitfire LF.Mk IX with an American built Merlin instead of a British built Merlin):

Sea level speed: 336mph (Spitfire F.Mk IX does 321mph)
~20,000ft speed: 405mph (Spitfire F.Mk IX does 408mph at 26,000ft)
Initial climb: ~4,400fpm (Spitfire F.Mk IX does about 3,900fpm)
Better roll rate and turns slightly worse than non-clipped Spitfires.

Bf109G-14 (a Bf109G-6 with MW-50):
Sea level speed: ~350mph (semi-educated guess)
~22,000ft speed: ~415mph
Higher initial climb than the Bf109G-6, but I don't know how much.
Handling should be very similar to the Bf109G-6, but with better visibility out of the cockpit.

[Meyer]

Originally posted by Krusty
G-14: much faster, 30mm (maybe 20mm option?) + gondolas
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you mean in the game? because the "default" gun in the G14 should be the MG151/20, don't tell me that they made the same mistake as Oleg

[Karnak]

Originally posted by Meyer
you mean in the game? because the "default" gun in the G14 should be the MG151/20, don't tell me that they made the same mistake as Oleg

It'll default to 20mm the first time you select the Bf109G-14 in the hangar I bet, thereafter it'll default to whatever armament you selected for it the last time you flew it.

[lasersailor184]

Wait wait.  I thought the G10 we had right now is actually a G14.  They just named it wrong.

[Karnak]

Originally posted by lasersailor184
Wait wait.  I thought the G10 we had right now is actually a G14.  They just named it wrong.

No, the G-10 we have right now is a K-4, but with a 20mm nose gun option.

[Bruno]

The G-14 will perform just like the G-6 except for wep, that's it. The G-14 should come with 2cm as were the by far majority of G-14s.

G-14: better at alt. Will dominate if 10k + (or thereabouts)
Spit16: better all other areas except speed below 10k-ish (or so).

You don't have a clue as to what you are talking about. WEP on the G-14 will be MW-50 (water-methanol). It cools the charge allowing for higher boost below FTH. If anything the G-14 will match up much better at lower altitudes(-10k). The "LF" doesn't mean low altitude per say. It would be best described as optimized for medium altitude (12 - 20k or there abouts).

FYI, the G-14 / LF.XVI is an incorrect comparison. The G-14 and Spitfire LF.IX / XVI aren't necessarily contemporaries. Spitfires were fighting 190s for the most part. The 190 is what helped push Spitfire development. Spitfire Vc with 16lbs boost (later LF.V etc..), Spitfire F.IX (was discovered that at typical combat altitudes it was at a disadvantage). The Spitfire LF.IX addressed that, they even clipped to wings to help it roll better against 190s.

[Wilbus]

What Karnak said about the 20mm. Same kind of options as the current G6 and current G10.

The K4 won't have a 20mm hub cannon option though.

Spitfires were fighting 190s for the most part.

I'm quite sure spits fought pretty much any enemy they could find, not just 190's.

If you mean clipped wing spits only, I'd still say they fought pretty much everything although the clipped wing was there to improve the roll rate.

[Bruno]

The only 2 Geshwaders in France, Belgium were JG2 and JG26, both were 190 Geschwaders. (well 1 gruppe of each remained in 109s).

Thus my statement:

Spitfires were fighting 190s for the most part.

Is accurate.

The increase boost on the Spit V to 16 lbs was directly related to the 190. So was the introduction of the Spit IX, so was the LF and CW versions.

In BoB the main RAF fighter was the Hurricane. Same with Kanalkampf. For Rodeos and Circus' the 190 was being deployed.

In NA early on the main RAF fighters were P-40 variants. As more Spit 5s were sent to NA the LW sent 190s. See JG2 in NA

No one said the Spitfires never fought 109s but their main opponent was the 190.

[Karnak]

Bruno is correct in that the Fw190 was the fighter that was pushing the Spitfire's development, not the Bf109.  The introduction of the Fw190 is what made a huge impact on RAF Fighter Command.  The Bf109 was a known quantity and something the RAF fighter pilots felt confident in engaging in combat.  The Fw190 was a whole new ballgame.

Still, it is fair to compare any fighter to any fighter if you feel like it.

[straffo]

Originally posted by Krusty
G-14: much faster, 30mm (maybe 20mm option?) + gondolas
Spit16: Much slower, turns on a freakin' dime, climbs like a monster at all alts, has instant kill 1-ping nook-like hispanos and 2x50cal.

Excuse me ?

To much LW reading damaged your brain ?

If the hispano is a kill 1-ping nook-like  what is the 30mm ?

[ahgod69]

Originally posted by straffo
Excuse me ?

To much LW reading damaged your brain ?

If the hispano is a kill 1-ping nook-like  what is the 30mm ?

I about died last night in a 262 snuck up (ok doing 600+) on a spit and unloaded 15 rounds at him, saw 2-3 hit sprites and was like woohoo!!!  Then god awful noises and my plane is on fire (spit didn't die).  I atrribute this to lag, but I get easier kills using the hizookas then the mg151's or mk's.  

And Straffo it is hard to compare a cannon that shoots like a "freakin lazer beam" and one that gets lobbed out like some hot potato.

[straffo]

Disagree AHgod he didn't even mention trajectory, he spoke about "1-ping nook"

Not that I'm unaware of the special trajectory of the german 30 mm

[Bruno]

Still, it is fair to compare any fighter to any fighter if you feel like it.

What I meant by 'incorrect comparison' was in the more stricter historical sense. With this in mind the question would be best phrased 'How's the LF.XVI match-up against the A-5 or even A-8?'