"Isreal must be wiped off the map" -President of Iran

[Hangtime]

I don't understand why we don't if we indeed hold all the cards.

Laz, the Jewish community in this country holds an immense amount of media and political clout. Those same guys you and I are disgusted with here hold the checkbooks that underwrite the political landscape here. If a politician started talking cutting funding or getting tough with israel he'd be signing his own death warrant in politics.

To get this dealt with will take a grass roots movement.. the people need to speak out. Not surpisingly, there will be no media outcry on the subject.. guess who's holding the controlling interests in the media.

In our country there is supposed to be a seperation between church and state.. in israel there a IS a national religion. And dedicated folks of that religious persuasion in this country are rather rabid in their pursuit of continued open arm support from our pockets to israels pockets.

Bad deal for the citizens here.. they stay in the catbird seat, pulling the wool over our eyes while they rob us blind behind our backs.

Again.. I'm not anti-semetic. But I guarantee you I'll be labeled as one for this post because thats how the jewish community deals with anyone that speaks out against the underhanded and highly questionable aid relationship between the US and Israel.

[Masherbrum]

Originally posted by bozon
Masherbrum, that was not a whine that was truth. If you didn't get it, I'm begging the US to start cutting back on the aid and stop the bear hugging. It's like a crack addict begging the dealer to stop giving him free crack so he can try to rehab. So don't think I'm ungrateful whiner.

Hangtime, the intention of the US is not to harm Israel but to support US interests. Always has been. In other words, US gov sees foreign aid as an american interest. The wellfare of the US is the 1st priority of every US goverment - the trouble is that it sometimes screws other countries. Most of the world perceives that as american arrogance and that's the reason the US scores so high on popularity poles.

The fact that the aid continues means that the US gov still thinks it gains something out of it - that is the US gains, not Israel. Israeli interest is to gradually not accept it.

Bozon

Iran has done something that the rest of the world will not forget.  Remember this.  

Karaya

PS - I can read, do read and did read.  Your post was basically Hitler saying "We're winning this war" (after D-Day).  Tell that crap to yourself.

[NUKE]

For those of you who think Iran's statements were just for effect, the President of Iran backed it up again.

http://apnews.excite.com/article/20051028/D8DH7BI82.html

Iran's ultraconservative president - spurning international outrage over his remarks about Israel - joined more than a million demonstrators who flooded the streets of the capital and other major cities Friday to back his call for the destruction of the Jewish state.

Mahmoud Ahmadinejad stood fast behind his assertion that Israel should be wiped off the map and repeated the call during the nationwide protests Friday, the Muslim day of prayer.

... 200,000 Iranians who massed in Tehran to unleashed virulent condemnation against Israel, the United States and the West in general, accusing them of oppressing Palestinians and Iran.

Some demonstrators chanted "Israel is approaching its death" and wore white shrouds in a symbolic gesture expressing readiness to die for their cause.

A resolution was read at the end of the rallies backing "the position declared by the president that the Zionist regime must be wiped out."

Iranian Foreign Minister Manouchehr Mottaki defended his president's comments, saying they represented Iran's long-held policy of not recognizing Israel.

[lazs2]

Ok hang... I will take your word for it.   I still think that they are worth supporting and that they would go under without our backing.

Of all the nations in the area... they are the only one that I admire.  

and, like seagoon... I can't help but feel that they are taking the heat.  I can't help but feel that they are the lightning rod.  If they were gone I feel that the muslims who believe in a one world/muslim world view would concentrate all their efforts on us.

I also don't see how a politician explaining that he wanted to sanction israel if they didn't turn over prisoners or whatever wouldn't be greeted with... "that sounds fair" by the American people.

canada does the same... they don't extridite the worst sociopaths ever known to mankind and we don't do anything to them.   If it were up to me... I would send soldiers to take prisoners from em.   If canadians died protecting that scum.... so be it.   Same for israel.

lazs

[Hangtime]

I absolutely support the right of Israel to exist and would in no way object to any and all means of US support including direct armed military support on their behalf, at the drop of a hat.

However.. bear in mind that Israel has Nukes. Tactical and Strategic. If it looks to them like they are going down they will not wait for us to bail 'em out, they WILL use 'em.

And I will not shed a single tear for whoever was dumb enough to get then to push the button.

Meanwhile, that little nation of stalwart zionists has a superb military force, a crack airforce and the smarts to keep it the very best in the region.

Even without our 'aid'.

[lada]

Originally posted by Gunslinger
What I love about this thread is everyone comes down on or defends Israel because there the "love to hate" country.  Iran just gets a shrug that says "what do you expect from Iran"

The only one that every defended Iran was Lada and I think he's gone now or has a shades account.  Even he sounded like Baghdad bob when talking about Iran.

LOL i were just reading news today and i were telling myself....
" hey dude you didnt check AH board for quite a long time, lets see reactions around the world"...

so im here ...

What i found funny is fact, our lovely western media just took personal view of some
journalist and forward it as optinion of pres. of IRI.

Im also quite surprise that even with sutch strong press coverage many people here stood calm.


But here is result of my small research. Im lazy to google again for links, coz it took me some 3-4 hours to find.
Whats has happan is, that president at some "World without Zionism" conference quoted mr. Komeini (damm im not sure about spelling of his name, guys who kicked corrupted shaah and his mickey mouse friends fom iran at 79) .. this Imam Komeini said "Saddam Hussein and his communist regime will be destroyed and Israel as well"... Or he said something very close to this meaning. And what happen at the conference is, that current president said.: **founder of IRI said, that "Saddam Hussein and his communist regime will be destroyed and Israel as well".Saddam is gone now, so Israel would be gone as well. ** Later on in his speach, he compliment palestine people.

So basicaly for those who wanted him to say... "delete palestine from the map" he said it
Those who wanted to hear " we are developing WMD and we are going to nuke hell out of you" he said it.
And those who wanted point finger at him/his country and say " look he support terrorist" also did it.

But true is, that non of sources of those who made allegation is available. At least not with words, whitch has been put into his mouth in western media.

Btw Gunslider.. im not here to defend Iran , im here to blame stupid lames, who read 1 news paper every day for 30 years and they belice to have an excelent overview.


And one more interesting point about this event. From the bigging it seems to be a huge mistage by president of IRI. Or at least it was present in this way in many western media. But latest disclaimers from an Iranian ambasadors around the world seems to be very well prepared and they bring constructive critic of Israel.  That might be a reason, why you will never read on front page and you will keep reading "Iran to wipe off Israel" for next 2 weeks.

[lada]

Originally posted by Seagoon




Hardly, they lived in a state of Dhimmitude (third class citizens, required to pay an additional tax, banned from most government jobs, highly restricted in their ability to own property, etc.), they were forbidden to build new synagogues, and were under the constant threat of expulsion from those countries or worse. As a result of the Muslim revival starting in the late 40s those conditions have progressively worsened. Several states have waged aggressive pogroms, seized synagogues and turned them into Mosques, and tightened restrictions overall and the Jewish populations have dropped precipitously as a result. For instance in Egypt the overall population dropped from 60,000 in the 40s to just 8,000 in 1957 following the election of Nasser, and the massive arrests and confiscations he brought about.

Being a Jew in Muslim countries is about as much fun as being a Christian in Pakistan.

 

Well may i ask ... how many times have you been in pakistan and how many Jews did you visit in muslim country ?

It might be usefull if you name all those evil countries, who siezed synagogs.

Let me tell you little secret about 40`s.... even here in central/eastern europe population of jews droped... a littla bit.... umm no we werent muslims at that time.
And one more hint about Egypt... If you consider Egepts's confiscations so BAAAAd thing.. do you even know what we has done to half germen who used to live here after 1945 ?..



ohh damm .. so many questions...

( btw i recall one case where synagog has been demolished and hospital has been build on its place.... it has been done few decades ago... do you know country/town  ? )

[lada]

Originally posted by Hangtime
I absolutely support the right of Israel to exist and would in no way object to any and all means of US support including direct armed military support on their behalf, at the drop of a hat.

However.. bear in mind that Israel has Nukes. Tactical and Strategic. If it looks to them like they are going down they will not wait for us to bail 'em out, they WILL use 'em.
 

Absolutly agree...


actualy ... why nobody reported those religion fanatics to UN security council for sanctions?



Anyway hows nuclear deal with India ?
Did congress already change law, so US can export military arsenal and some nuclear know-how to India ?

[Gunslinger]

Originally posted by lada
LOL i were just reading news today and i were telling myself....
" hey dude you didnt check AH board for quite a long time, lets see reactions around the world"...

so im here ...

What i found funny is fact, our lovely western media just took personal view of some
journalist and forward it as optinion of pres. of IRI.

Im also quite surprise that even with sutch strong press coverage many people here stood calm.


But here is result of my small research. Im lazy to google again for links, coz it took me some 3-4 hours to find.
Whats has happan is, that president at some "World without Zionism" conference quoted mr. Komeini (damm im not sure about spelling of his name, guys who kicked corrupted shaah and his mickey mouse friends fom iran at 79) .. this Imam Komeini said "Saddam Hussein and his communist regime will be destroyed and Israel as well"... Or he said something very close to this meaning. And what happen at the conference is, that current president said.: **founder of IRI said, that "Saddam Hussein and his communist regime will be destroyed and Israel as well".Saddam is gone now, so Israel would be gone as well. ** Later on in his speach, he compliment palestine people.

So basicaly for those who wanted him to say... "delete palestine from the map" he said it
Those who wanted to hear " we are developing WMD and we are going to nuke hell out of you" he said it.
And those who wanted point finger at him/his country and say " look he support terrorist" also did it.

But true is, that non of sources of those who made allegation is available. At least not with words, whitch has been put into his mouth in western media.

Btw Gunslider.. im not here to defend Iran , im here to blame stupid lames, who read 1 news paper every day for 30 years and they belice to have an excelent overview.


And one more interesting point about this event. From the bigging it seems to be a huge mistage by president of IRI. Or at least it was present in this way in many western media. But latest disclaimers from an Iranian ambasadors around the world seems to be very well prepared and they bring constructive critic of Israel.  That might be a reason, why you will never read on front page and you will keep reading "Iran to wipe off Israel" for next 2 weeks.

So I guess this is must more western lies then?

Mahmoud Ahmadinejad (search) stood fast behind his assertion that Israel should be wiped off the map and repeated the call during the nationwide protests Friday, the Muslim day of prayer.

Iranians Rally Against Israel, U.S.

Edit and before you bring up the news source:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9823624/
http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/meast/10/28/iran.reaction/index.html
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/I/IRAN_ISRAEL?SITE=NJMOR&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT
http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/524D8D2D-1EED-4F0D-9A03-511EFAB49166.htm

[weaselsan]

I can photoshop Saddam dancing with Shirley Temple and
Stepin Fetchit.

[Yeager]

Dont worry, Gina Davis will kikk some persian butt

[Excel1]

Originally posted by SkyWolf
It's the spin. Not exactly unbiased reporting.

It's a list of historic events supported with dates, locations, perpetrators and victims. If it was an opinion piece subject to bias I would not have posted it, for the simple reason that in the Israeli/Palestinian issue I don't support one side or the other.

But as for the over all tone of that website ie spin, I think you do have a point.

[Gunslinger]

again Iran is ignored and israel is talked about.  I love this quote:  (note: before you ask me for the source this is from Al Jazera english version)

At the same time, however, Iran's embassy in Moscow has sought to smooth the effects of President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's comments, saying the president did not mean to speak in such "sharp terms".

The statement was the first official Iranian reaction since the president's speech on Wednesday to a meeting of consevative Islamic students.
   
"Mr Ahmadinejad did not have any intention to speak up in such sharp terms and enter into a conflict"

"It's absolutely clear that, in his remarks, Mr Ahmadinejad, president of the Islamic Republic of Iran, underlined the key position of Iran, based on the necessity to hold free elections on the occupied territories."

can you say back pedeling?  Lada, comments?

[lasersailor184]

Originally posted by Seagoon
I view Israel from the perspective of one who sees us as confronting a resurrgent Islam as the greatest threat to the west since the fall of Communism.
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Sorry Seagoon, but you should change the word "west" maybe to something like "usa" ?
There are other "west nations" who dont see the religion Islam as a threat,
like you do.
Have you asked yourself why all this hate exist at all?
would it exist without any politics?
would it??

Whether you do, or do not think that Islam is a threat to the western world is irrelevant to whether or not it IS a threat to the western world.

[Yeager]

I think it will boil down to a war between christianity and islam.  This war has been going on and off for a thousand years now.  The BIG difference is the recently aquired ability to split atoms.  I would much pefer that militant islam be incinerated by such methods BEFORE militant islam aquires the same capability as the west (aka Christianity).  Its like a ball game.  Someone will win and someone will lose.  It all depends on what team your on.

face it.  this aint the cold war with the soviet union.  This war it will be hot and you will either burn or get burned, which would you prefer?