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Offline Gunslinger

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« Reply #195 on: October 31, 2005, 01:24:00 PM »
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ahh this one... this one is simple for me.
because "muslim extremists" is well painted box and you can judge in 2 seconds after reading news regardless reality.
If you will read, that 150 "muslim extremist" has been shot dead in Pakistan, you will be happy 2 seconds after reading.

If you will hear, that "muslim extremist" bombed inocent russian army in Checnya, you can also judge because you already know term. "muslim extremists" ..


but whatch out... even you leader sometime swap extremists with separatist freedom fighters and vise versa
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/527105.stm
(just in case you didnt catch it)

anyway i think that our opinions are clear now and skuzzy can go for a beer.
(lol damm thread about Iran, 4th page and its not locked yet .. hush hush :D )


but in this case they are not going after a russian army they went after a school filled with children.  Tell me how is this not the actions of "muslim extremests"?
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« Reply #196 on: October 31, 2005, 01:38:28 PM »
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But i see, that some people enjoy idea of holy war, so keep laughing at ME situation, we keep laughing at 9/11.


Lada thanks for reinforcing my beliefs in Muslim behavior, I will sleep better now!
Really thanks!!

TJ
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« Reply #197 on: October 31, 2005, 02:48:26 PM »
seriously... are there any civilized muslim countries?   Is there any muslim country that anyone would like to immulate?

suicide bombers asside... I just don't want to live like that... they have had thousands of years to prove that they have something worth stiving for and all I see is something to avoid.  

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« Reply #198 on: October 31, 2005, 02:50:33 PM »
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seriously... are there any civilized muslim countries?   Is there any muslim country that anyone would like to immulate?  


A noted citizen of your state recently moved to Bahrain and he said it was wonderful.
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« Reply #199 on: October 31, 2005, 04:19:39 PM »
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If you consider several hundred dead children to be good reason to authorise liberization of Checna, then you must be absolutly in same ideologic line, like Iraqi freedom fighters.

Sorry but they use same explanations, like you did now  :)
(and they have some others backup explanations as well)


i have strong feeling, that some people over here would be great freedom fighters.






No. I don`t think that deliberitely killing childeren is the way of achiving any goal. Calling these people freedom fighters is is a slap in the face of those who really were freedom fighters, fighting an occupying ARMY . i.e French resistence, the fighters of the Warsaw gettho and the other Warsaw uprising, partisans of Yugoslavia and Russia...
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« Reply #200 on: October 31, 2005, 05:36:19 PM »
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
but in this case they are not going after a russian army they went after a school filled with children.  Tell me how is this not the actions of "muslim extremests"?


according to their demants, like "freedom of religion, some sort of authonomy" and so on (you will find them in that link) i dont see any single reason, why should i care about their religion.
I consider those request to be quite ok.

We better dont why russian oposed offer from SB, who claim that those people were not part of his group and offered his personal ( or his son i dont remember) presence at Beslam during siege.

But our democratic russia decide to storm those gunman and kill few children instead of accept hand from "bloody muslim terrorist", who demand above mentioned things.

jaj...

nothing has happen... we will blame checnyan terrorists few times, with serious face on TV
next week we will post few pictures, how we fighting those bloody terrorists... and everybody will be happy.
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« Reply #201 on: October 31, 2005, 05:44:07 PM »
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
but in this case they are not going after a russian army they went after a school filled with children.  Tell me how is this not the actions of "muslim extremests"?


Those who were blamed by Putin, distanced themself from this act during the siege and offered help.

anyway... Putin has been quoted in more media that those guys.


And dont forget, that there was no 1 hour to kill all ultimatum or something like this.

But according to most cool movies, "bang bang boom boom" should be most cool and first option anyway.
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« Reply #202 on: October 31, 2005, 05:45:02 PM »
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seriously... are there any civilized muslim countries?   Is there any muslim country that anyone would like to immulate?


lazs


seriously... did you ever visit some "muslim country" or you hear about them only on TV ?
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Offline Gunslinger

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« Reply #203 on: October 31, 2005, 06:08:07 PM »
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Those who were blamed by Putin, distanced themself from this act during the siege and offered help.

anyway... Putin has been quoted in more media that those guys.


And dont forget, that there was no 1 hour to kill all ultimatum or something like this.

But according to most cool movies, "bang bang boom boom" should be most cool and first option anyway.


so you are saying these guys do not qualify as "muslim extremests"?  It's a simple question lada but keep dancing if you must.
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« Reply #204 on: October 31, 2005, 06:09:19 PM »
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No. I don`t think that deliberitely killing childeren is the way of achiving any goal. Calling these people freedom fighters is is a slap in the face of those who really were freedom fighters, fighting an occupying ARMY . i.e French resistence, the fighters of the Warsaw gettho and the other Warsaw uprising, partisans of Yugoslavia and Russia...


ahhh you forget to mention Iraqi resistence and "checenyan terorists".. they also fight occupation army... actualy Checnyan had some webpages with fancy videos from fights.

I still do not understand why you dont get it.

Look at Vulcan... Vulcan is pissed off, because some horde of idiots cased dead of 320 children.  At the same time you are  whinning that those who fight those, who killed 26000 Iraqi civilists are evil terrorists ...... heee ?

its so simple ...


btw.. you seems to be from Israel... Would you be so kind and tell me, what are top 3 most spread religions among people ? When i spoke with one guy from Israel (actualy he is profesor of sociology) he told me, that Judaism is not most spread religion anymore.
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« Reply #205 on: October 31, 2005, 06:23:51 PM »
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so you are saying these guys do not qualify as "muslim extremests"?  It's a simple question lada but keep dancing if you must.


From what i know they were not motivated by religion, so i dont care about their religion.
Thus i dont consider them "muslim extremists"

"religion extremist" is one, who want to implement his troughs by force, killing and he reffer to "holy book" or "god"

"religion extremist" is not the one who belive in God and fight for independence, freedom of religion or authonomy.


I hope that i answered your question.

Just one example. This guy dont mind to order "liberalization (whitch caused dead of 26k people)", because God told him... So i consider him to be  ("place his religion here" extremist, fanatic)
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2005/10/07/wus07.xml
(lol damm ... its more funny thing  45mins WMD )
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Offline Gunslinger

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« Reply #206 on: October 31, 2005, 07:10:12 PM »
so now you are saying these guys arent even muslim at all????











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Offline Gunslinger

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« Reply #207 on: October 31, 2005, 07:17:01 PM »
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Amir (commander) of Islamic brigade of Shahids "Riyadu-s-Saliheen" Abdallah Shamil abu Idris (aka Shamil Basayev) (left) and the President of self-declared Chechen Republic of Ichkeria Aslan Maskhadov (right) at a house in one of Chechnya's communities during the holy Muslim month of Ramadan, 2004


so not muslim either?
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« Reply #208 on: October 31, 2005, 07:27:43 PM »
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Just one example. This guy dont mind to order "liberalization (whitch caused dead of 26k people)", because God told him... So i consider him to be  ("place his religion here" extremist, fanatic)


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The White House yesterday denied the claim as "absurd".


Did Hamas ever deny that they declared Jihad?

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(whitch caused dead of 26k people)


The much more humane policy followed before the invasion of Iraq killed 1 million. (Unicef estimate)

1,000,000 people / 10 yrs = 100,000 / yr

26,000 / 2.5 yrs = 10,400 / yr

difference 89,600 lives / yr

(that can't be right.... can it?)
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« Reply #209 on: October 31, 2005, 07:38:47 PM »
Errmm Holden your calculations are wrong dude, I believe the figure quoted by lada (aka De'Nile) is TOTAL CIVILIAN DEATHS. Source of death is not attributed. IE, this figure includes those killed by suicide bombers, had their heads loped off by ninja-wannabees, and shot by AK47 wielding wedding partygoers.
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