Hi,
Originally posted by Bonzon
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but more inertia = less E-bleed.
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By that logic you'd want to load your plane with lead to make it turn better - more inertia. But I see that arguing here is pointless.
Enjoy AH.
Bozon
I dont talk about the most tight turn!
But actually exact thats what most nations did! Of course there is a edge where the heavy liftload of a plane get to be a handycap, but as long as a plane can turn with high G it dont make sence to use bigger wings, cause bigger wings have more drag as result.
The japanese HQ did follow your logic, the result we know.
A A6M2 couldnt follow a P40 in a highspeed turn, not cause the stiffness off the elevator, but cause it did bleed energy while that. VS later US planes the different was even bigger. As result, although much to late, they cutted the wingarea of the Zero and Ki43 down, but not enough.
The wing had to be as smal as possible, but it must have been possible to pull high G´s at normal combatspeed. Since the normal combatspeed increase with more power, the wing´s could get smaler(or the weight more big).
Originally posted by hitech
Hi Knegel.
While this statment is absolutly true. It is also meaning less when considering turning of any sort.
What you realy want to compare is E loss per G of turn. I.E. When 2 planes are doing the same turn. Who is loosing E the quickest.
In your case you are comparing when 2 planes are both doing there max turns at the same speed. But 1 plane could be a 10g turn and the other 2 Gs.
HiTech
If a 109G2 and a 109F4 make a decelerating turn, with same G-force and same power, at a given speed both planes will bleed same energy! As faster the planes as more the inertia help to keep energy, as slower the plane as more the more weight will be a handycap.
The 109F will need less AoA to pull the same G, therfor it will cause less drag, but the 109G2 have more inertia(swing). With same power the E-bleed get determined by the dragload, while a decelerating turn the inertia often get forgotten. The higher drag of the 109G2 get evened out by the higher inertia, depending to the speed.
While a sustained turn, no inertia into flightdirection work, therfor in this case the 109G2(if same power) will lose, but the 109G2 had more power, therfor i doubt that it would lose while a turn with same G-load. At least the climbratio of the 109G2 with combatpower was better than that of the 109F4, this indicate that the more power did overcome the more induced drag.
Greetings, Knegel
