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Offline Westy

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« Reply #15 on: October 27, 2005, 09:37:16 AM »
Lazs I was being somewhat facecious.  Anyway. Let's agree to just agree on those points?!

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« Reply #16 on: October 27, 2005, 10:46:47 AM »
This isn't a discussion on whether FEMA should exist.... It is about how much freakin jail time Brownie should serve!

He flat lied to the Senate.



I love this exchange....

Bahamonde to FEMA Director Michael Brown, Aug. 31, 11:20 a.m.

"Sir, I know that you know the situation is past critical. Here some things you might not know.

Hotels are kicking people out, thousands gathering in the streets with no food or water. Hundreds still being rescued from homes.

The dying patients at the DMAT tent being medivac. Estimates are many will die within hours. Evacuation in process. Plans developing for dome evacuation but hotel situation adding to problem. We are out of food and running out of water at the dome, plans in works to address the critical need.

-Sharon Worthy, Brown's press secretary, to Cindy Taylor, FEMA deputy director of public affairs, and others including Bahamonde - Aug. 31, 2 p.m.

"Also, it is very important that time is allowed for Mr. Brown to eat dinner. Gievn (sic) that Baton Rouge is back to normal, restaurants are getting busy. He needs much more that (sic) 20 or 30 minutes. We now have traffic to encounter to get to and from a location of his choise (sic), followed by wait service from the restaurant staff, eating, etc.

-Bahamonde to Taylor and Michael Widomski, public affairs, Aug. 31, 2:44 p.m.

"OH MY GOD!!!!!!!! No won't go any further, too easy of a target. Just tell her that I just ate an MRE and crapped in the hallway of the Superdome along with 30,000 other close friends so I understand her concern about busy restaurants. Maybe tonight I will have time to move my pebbles on the parking garage floor so they don't stab me in the back while I try to sleep.

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« Reply #17 on: October 27, 2005, 11:17:15 AM »
Paid Patsy keeps him on script and legally obligated not to reveal 'national security secrets'.  He'll take the heat for the administrations 'social darwinism' of taking money from the poor and giving it to the rich.
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« Reply #18 on: October 27, 2005, 11:38:18 AM »
Some of you guys really, really REALLY hate the republicans, don't you?  ANY misstep or failure on the part of this administration, and the torches and nooses get pulled out and paraded.

RPM, my friend and fellow BoP, I do need to point out one thing:

Brown RESIGNED, albeit under pressure.  They have stated that they are keeping him on the payroll so that they can question him about what went on, and what is going on now.  They're not doing him any favors, IMO.

Now, for the rest of the story:

Katrina was a HUGE natural disaster.  Note "natural".  FEMA didn't cause it, nor did Monica Lewinsky, Bill Moyers, Rush Limbaugh, the EEEEVIL BOOOSH, or anybody else.

FEMA was set up to be the SECOND responder to a disaster.  The local and state authorities fell flat on their faces in doing their JOB as first responders.  Federal authorities fell short in covering the gap.  NOBODY came out as a shining example of efficiency here.

Trying to find a scapegoat (FEMA director, for example) to hang all this on is an exercise in pure witch-hunting politics.  And does NOTHING to solve the underlying problem--local and state officials that bury their heads in the sand when it comes to disaster planning.



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« Reply #19 on: October 27, 2005, 12:32:50 PM »
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a real republican would simply disband fema.   It is a useless organization.  All we should have is a warning center.

lazs

If we disbanded all the useless organizations up there there'd be nothin left.


Oh, wait....nowwwwww I get it, yer onto something there Laz.:aok

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« Reply #20 on: October 27, 2005, 12:47:41 PM »
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Some of you guys really, really REALLY hate the republicans, don't you?  ANY misstep or failure on the part of this administration, and the torches and nooses get pulled out and paraded.

RPM, my friend and fellow BoP, I do need to point out one thing:

Brown RESIGNED, albeit under pressure.  They have stated that they are keeping him on the payroll so that they can question him about what went on, and what is going on now.  They're not doing him any favors, IMO.

Now, for the rest of the story:

Katrina was a HUGE natural disaster.  Note "natural".  FEMA didn't cause it, nor did Monica Lewinsky, Bill Moyers, Rush Limbaugh, the EEEEVIL BOOOSH, or anybody else.

FEMA was set up to be the SECOND responder to a disaster.  The local and state authorities fell flat on their faces in doing their JOB as first responders.  Federal authorities fell short in covering the gap.  NOBODY came out as a shining example of efficiency here.

Trying to find a scapegoat (FEMA director, for example) to hang all this on is an exercise in pure witch-hunting politics.  And does NOTHING to solve the underlying problem--local and state officials that bury their heads in the sand when it comes to disaster planning.




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« Reply #21 on: October 27, 2005, 01:33:25 PM »
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This isn't a discussion on whether FEMA should exist.... It is about how much freakin jail time Brownie should serve!

He flat lied to the Senate.



C'mon MT, as we all know lying under oath is NOT a crime....or at least not a serious one.

If brown deserves jail-time he should be serving it right next to Mayor "Where's my buses" Nagin

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« Reply #22 on: October 27, 2005, 01:36:54 PM »
The worst natural disaster in our Nations history... and we all need to blame the Mayor?

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« Reply #23 on: October 27, 2005, 03:33:05 PM »
When a submarine runs aground, no matter what the cause, the Captain is held responsible and usually fired.

When a city faces a disaster which is further compounded by poor decisions of its leaders in the 20 years prior to the the disaster, I would very much point the finger at the Mayor.

Whatever mistakes that may or may not have been made by the federal government prior to and after the hurricane hit New Orleans, the root cause of most of the problems (beyond the actual hurricane itself) was the failure of its leaders to be prepared for such an event. In a democratic society with elected leaders... the people that elected those leaders must share in the responsibility for this failure.

New Orleans obviously never seriously considered an evacuation plan and how a large portion of their population lacked the means to evacuate on their own. Is that the fault of the federal government? or even the state government? I am sure some of you will disagree, but this sounds like a local city government responsibility.

Who told these people to just go to one of the government designated shelters rather than evacuate? Who ignored federal suggestiongs and told these people that it was okay to return when another storm was threatening to repeat this disaster? Who wasted time making accusations while the disaster still needed 100% of the focus?

It is probable that the federal government made some mistakes and could have done a better job (that can be said of almost everything the federal government does), but it seems to me, the person criticizing and pointing fingers at everyone (i.e. the Mayor) should be looking into the mirror and learning from his own mistakes. But I really don't blame the Mayor or the Governor all that much. This was a huge NATURAL disaster that almost nobody expected.

Any attempts to make this thing into a class and/or race issue are laughable. When a disaster strikes a major city, it is a given that the city does not have the means  to help very many people. Unless the wealthier upper and middle class citizens decide to help and if the lower class chooses to accept their help, it is a bygone conclusion that it is the poor lower class citizens will be the ones left behind and suffer the most from the impending disaster.

All major US cities have large numbers of poor people. The fact that there are large numbers of poor people is a byproduct of capitalism. In a lot of these cities, the majority of the these poor people are minorities (is that an oxymoron?). Frequently, a majority of these minorities are negro/black/African-American. At this point in American history, the fact that many of these poor people are black is not as much a product of slavery or racism issues, but more a result of cultural issues. If someone is poor, unmarried, has a child, and that child grows up to be a violent criminal, whose fault is it? Almost any adult can do a 2 to 4 year stint in the military, get some sort of professional education, and get a decent middle class job. Some immigrants come to this country with nothing but end up with their own home and college educated children working in upperclass professional jobs. Atlanta has a large black population and a significant percentage of that population is much wealthier than me. How is this possible in a country so racist that it intentionally abandons poor black people in flooded cities?

Yup, after careful consideration, FEMA was to blame for almost everything that went wrong in New Orleans and forcing the resignation of its chief administrator made everything right.
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« Reply #24 on: October 27, 2005, 04:24:38 PM »
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The worst natural disaster in our Nations history... and we all need to blame the Mayor?

hehe


ummm yea, even without fema's help he could have single handedly saved HIS city.  But of course Brown was appointed by Bush and it's just so much easier for you to blame a republican that works for the federal govt, than a black liberal who is in charge of the city in question.

Even after all this happened you don't hear a peep about WHY people were so poor in a democrat ran city.

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« Reply #25 on: October 27, 2005, 04:41:54 PM »
Hurricane Katrina only hit New Orleans.  It didn't hit anything else along the coast.  The N.O. city limit is the edge of the destruction and despair.  That's why it's only the mayor's fault.

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« Reply #26 on: October 27, 2005, 06:18:32 PM »
Tarmac I'm not saying its ONLY the Mayors fault I'm saying that it sure as heck aint all of Brown/Fema's fault.  The devistated area was 90,000 square miles.  BUT, you barely heard a word out of other areas that were "suffering" just the poor blacks in NO and that's all Brown's fault supposedly because he's a Bush croney.  

In retrospect Alabama and Mississippi didn't have NEAR the problems that LA/NO had. yet it's still all Brown's fault because he's a Bush croney.  I still wonder who the dems are going to blame for their problems when Bush is out of office and they realize 1. they have no message that popular America agrees with if any message at all  2.  They do not provide any solutions to problems only arguments on how it's being done so wrongly

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« Reply #27 on: October 27, 2005, 07:08:13 PM »
Shubie, Forgive me for saying he was fired. We all know Bush would never fire anyone, only award them a Presidential Medal of Freedom for screwing the pooch.

Do I hate Bush? With a burning passion that could light a thousand cities for a thousand days. But this is a different matter alltogether. He is milking a few more months worth of taxpayer funding. As a taxpayer, I'm pissed that my money is being wasted to fatten the wallet of a good ol' boy, and you should be, too.

Let me put this into perspective for those that are on the Bushwagon. Let's say Ted Kennedy gets a grant to study the floatation properties of secretaries belted into Lincolns or the drinkability of 30 year old Highland Single Malts. Insane waste of your tax dollars, right?
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« Reply #28 on: October 27, 2005, 08:11:05 PM »
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Shubie, Forgive me for saying he was fired. We all know Bush would never fire anyone, only award them a Presidential Medal of Freedom for screwing the pooch.

Do I hate Bush? With a burning passion that could light a thousand cities for a thousand days. But this is a different matter alltogether. He is milking a few more months worth of taxpayer funding. As a taxpayer, I'm pissed that my money is being wasted to fatten the wallet of a good ol' boy, and you should be, too.

Let me put this into perspective for those that are on the Bushwagon. Let's say Ted Kennedy gets a grant to study the floatation properties of secretaries belted into Lincolns or the drinkability of 30 year old Highland Single Malts. Insane waste of your tax dollars, right?


sure that's a waist, but really do you know anything about how fema or govt executive positions work?

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« Reply #29 on: October 27, 2005, 10:18:12 PM »
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sure that's a waist, but really do you know anything about how fema or govt executive positions work?


Bet I can equal Brownie's knowledge.